"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Do you think he'll go Blue instead of Pink?

Is not Pink, it is Rosé! Super Saiyajin Rosé!

But seriously, it's kinda underwhelming the way Black reveals to Vegeta that he can't transform in SSJB like him, it made me feel pity.

[LightBing]

I can only assume that Vegeta's SSJ2 is now the same as his Rage Boost against Beerus in the BoG arc. That Mutated SSJ2 was implied to be way stronger than regular SSJ2, which fits the power-scale. Still, there's no information I'm just trying to make sense of this. This is an anime tier omission, which is weird since the rest of the chapter is full of power statements.

Apart from that the chapter was pretty cool.
This Vegeta vs Black is exactly the same as the first Black vs Goku in the anime. It serves the purpose of powering up Black. I appreciate the God level being respected, Black has been milking Trunks to get stronger and even with all that he can't touch someone like Vegeta.
I prefer how the situation is developing with Zamasu coming to save Black. Contrary to the anime, where the heroes were the ones getting beat up and were being saved by smoke bombs( ) and by turning Black and Zamasu into blatant idiots.

[Pannaliciour]

Goku and Vegeta meat black and Zamasu 3 times in the anime (back and forth)

This chapter was the third confrontation of the anime (vegeta's speech: every cell in goku's body bla bla)

Next Chapter should be ssj rose and vegeta's defeat also known as the first confrontation in the anime.

[Kanassa]

Sounds like he purposely got beat up by Vegeta to help bring out the Rose form I guess...

If the dialouge is any indication, Black isn't thinking ''Yes, I'll get more powerful through this fight!", he's thinking "FUCK! FUCK! CHEATING MONKEY BASTARD, HOW DID YOU GET SO- Oh, my fucking kidneys! Zam- Me, help me!"

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Toyotaro has turned Goku Black into Zamasu.

Well, Goku Black is Zamasu.

[KameNinja45]

Toyotaro has turned Goku Black into Zamasu.

Well, Goku Black is Zamasu.

Except one isn't a tryhard teen going through his "rebellious" phase.

[TheMikado]

Toyotaro has turned Goku Black into Zamasu.

Well, Goku Black is Zamasu.

Except one isn't a tryhard teen going through his "rebellious" phase.

They're literally the same person in different bodies

[GTx10]

Ok I must admit, this chapter does paint Goku Black in a "better light." In the Anime Black spoke of "pain making his body stronger..." Black gaining the ability to become SSR through a "beat up" would be consistent. This Manga scene seems similar to the Anime scene where SS2 Son Goku fights Goku Black in the present.
It also parallels SSB Vegeta's final fight with SSR Goku Black from the Anime. Hell, maybe Black is waiting to obtain SSR power (because its SSB's parallel, thus God Ki) before merging with zamasu. Maybe they want their merged form to have top power beforehand. Speculation on my part of course.

[Duo]

The fact that Black's personality in this version is so similar to Zamasu makes sense, but it makes him less entertaining.

Not a problem for me, though. This chapter was awesome. I have great anticipation for what is yet to come, regardless. My favorite part is that Black has no idea where Goku and Vegeta came from or how they got there.

This does seem to be the first real hiccup in the manga's power-scaling, though. Maybe something in the next chapter or some time to process everything will clarify what's going on with everybody's Ssj2 forms in relationship to one another.

[dbzfan7]

Sounds like he purposely got beat up by Vegeta to help bring out the Rose form I guess...

If the dialouge is any indication, Black isn't thinking ''Yes, I'll get more powerful through this fight!", he's thinking "FUCK! FUCK! CHEATING MONKEY BASTARD, HOW DID YOU GET SO- Oh, my fucking kidneys! Zam- Me, help me!"

1
Super mysterious person: “That was a close one.”
2
Super mysterious person: “But this will take you one step closer to your ultimate form, right?”

Considering that, it seems like he planned on growing stronger. He just didn't think SSJB would be so powerful and underestimated Vegeta. So it seems like a different take on what Black said during the anime, though it's taking longer for him to get stronger rather than almost immediately.

[KameNinja45]

Well, Goku Black is Zamasu.

Except one isn't a tryhard teen going through his "rebellious" phase.

They're literally the same person in different bodies

True. This version of Black makes more sense, but he's nowhere near as charming as his anime counterpart.

[Totamo]

it looks like the manga is doing what it usually does, cutting corners to stay on schedule. this is to be expected when you have a monthly manga.

it looks like they skipped all the fights and are just going straight to the main one with vegeta beating black just like he did in the anime.

I don't think we are getting vegito which may be for the better as many dropped super over that.
or the mafuba which also angered people.

now that I see how the manga will end, I am a bit angry at the anime. why give trunks so many bullshit powerups that the character is now hated in the eyes of the fandom, why make goku look a complete dumbass 3x as a plot device, why bring back things from the past ruined them and just throw it away.

I still like the manga better honestly, yeah it's rush and leaves out a lot of details as well as has consistency problems of its own, but many things the anime did, that I watched nearly rip the dragon Ball fandom apart aren't present here.

the anime has some highs but for many that doesn't make up for the inconsistent quality you get with these episodes. whether it be writing, animation or the characters themselves.

at this point, if you don't like either, it be best to drop it as neither will improve

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Toyotaro has turned Goku Black into Zamasu.

Well, Goku Black is Zamasu.

Except one isn't a tryhard teen going through his "rebellious" phase.

We never saw Black like this, because he was always the strongest in the anime, and even when Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks would finally overpower him, he would still keep growing even stronger & surpassing them. Toyotaro didn't change Black, he just placed him in a different situation; Black isn't the strongest. At least not yet, we know Super Saiyan Rose is coming.

True. This version of Black makes more sense, but he's nowhere near as charming as his anime counterpart.

I agree. The manga also lacks Nozawa (obviously), which was a huge part of Black's awesomeness IMO.

[Abra kadabra]

it looks like the manga is doing what it usually does, cutting corners to stay on schedule. this is to be expected when you have a monthly manga.

it looks like they skipped all the fights and are just going straight to the main one with vegeta beating black just like he did in the anime.

I don't think we are getting vegito which may be for the better as many dropped super over that.
or the mafuba which also angered people.

now that I see how the manga will end, I am a bit angry at the anime. why give trunks so many bullshit powerups that the character is now hated in the eyes of the fandom, why make goku look a complete dumbass 3x as a plot device, why bring back things from the past ruined them and just throw it away.

I still like the manga better honestly, yeah it's rush and leaves out a lot of details as well as has consistency problems of its own, but many things the anime did, that I watched nearly rip the dragon Ball fandom apart aren't present here.

the anime has some highs but for many that doesn't make up for the inconsistent quality you get with these episodes. whether it be writing, animation or the characters themselves.

at this point, if you don't like either, it be best to drop it as neither will improve

Speak for yourself

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

True. This version of Black makes more sense, but he's nowhere near as charming as his anime counterpart.

I agree. The manga also lacks Nozawa (obviously), which was a huge part of Black's awesomeness IMO.

Agree here too
Though, both Hit AND Black aren't as powerful as their anime counterparts, from what it seems. At least Black's power is more consistent in the manga, as in the anime, he goes from being very hurt from SS2 Goku to flat out tanking SSB Vegeta's attacks, then overwhelming Goku, Vegeta and Trunks then to being dominated by Vegeta before fusing. As nice as Black was in the anime, I admit, his power was all over the place in the anime.

it looks like the manga is doing what it usually does, cutting corners to stay on schedule. this is to be expected when you have a monthly manga.

it looks like they skipped all the fights and are just going straight to the main one with vegeta beating black just like he did in the anime.

I don't think we are getting vegito which may be for the better as many dropped super over that.
or the mafuba which also angered people.

now that I see how the manga will end, I am a bit angry at the anime. why give trunks so many bullshit powerups that the character is now hated in the eyes of the fandom, why make goku look a complete dumbass 3x as a plot device, why bring back things from the past ruined them and just throw it away.

I still like the manga better honestly, yeah it's rush and leaves out a lot of details as well as has consistency problems of its own, but many things the anime did, that I watched nearly rip the dragon Ball fandom apart aren't present here.

the anime has some highs but for many that doesn't make up for the inconsistent quality you get with these episodes. whether it be writing, animation or the characters themselves.

at this point, if you don't like either, it be best to drop it as neither will improve

I don't think it's wise to generalize the entire DB fandom, as I don't hate Trunks, I just dislike the decisions the of writers of Super for making a lot of aspects in Super nonsensical in terms of what we knew from DBZ. I mean, I agree, the Mafuba and Vegerot were utterly pointless in my opinion when they were brought back. Much more could have been done with both. While I also like how Trunks got the finishing blow in the anime, HOW it happened made no sense. To that end, I just blame the writers for that.

[Boo Machine]

As always the art is pretty nice, but I don't like this portrayal of Black so far. He is just so boring.

If he makes more sense in the manga then thats all well and good but if he isn't entertaining then that doesn't mean a whole lot to me. I feel like you could replace this version with any other cocky villain.

[Totamo]

True. This version of Black makes more sense, but he's nowhere near as charming as his anime counterpart.

I agree. The manga also lacks Nozawa (obviously), which was a huge part of Black's awesomeness IMO.

Agree here too
Though, both Hit AND Black aren't as powerful as their anime counterparts, from what it seems. At least Black's power is more consistent in the manga, as in the anime, he goes from being very hurt from SS2 Goku to flat out tanking SSB Vegeta's attacks, then overwhelming Goku, Vegeta and Trunks then to being dominated by Vegeta before fusing. As nice as Black was in the anime, I admit, his power was all over the place in the anime.

it looks like the manga is doing what it usually does, cutting corners to stay on schedule. this is to be expected when you have a monthly manga.

it looks like they skipped all the fights and are just going straight to the main one with vegeta beating black just like he did in the anime.

I don't think we are getting vegito which may be for the better as many dropped super over that.
or the mafuba which also angered people.

now that I see how the manga will end, I am a bit angry at the anime. why give trunks so many bullshit powerups that the character is now hated in the eyes of the fandom, why make goku look a complete dumbass 3x as a plot device, why bring back things from the past ruined them and just throw it away.

I still like the manga better honestly, yeah it's rush and leaves out a lot of details as well as has consistency problems of its own, but many things the anime did, that I watched nearly rip the dragon Ball fandom apart aren't present here.

the anime has some highs but for many that doesn't make up for the inconsistent quality you get with these episodes. whether it be writing, animation or the characters themselves.

at this point, if you don't like either, it be best to drop it as neither will improve

I don't think it's wise to generalize the entire DB fandom, as I don't hate Trunks, I just dislike the decisions the of writers of Super for making a lot of aspects in Super nonsensical in terms of what we knew from DBZ. I mean, I agree, the Mafuba and Vegerot were utterly pointless in my opinion when they were brought back. Much more could have been done with both. While I also like how Trunks got the finishing blow in the anime, HOW it happened made no sense. To that end, I just blame the writers for that.

I didn't mean to generalize but just the amount of hatred that came from these episodes from both people who liked it and hated it genuinely scared me.

it got so bad people were super was worse than evolution, FUCKING evolution.

I don't want to see the Fandom like that again, we can have disagreements but we shouldn't be having civil wars.

[batistabus]

@Herms translation

Hmm. Really like the way things were revealed here. The parallel storytelling between the present in the future was very effective. I also like the implication that Black was keeping Trunks alive as a training partner. Aside from this, I love that Toyotaro didn't use the do-over in the manga. Aside from the fact that it was established that it couldn't be used for a while, I just thought the anime handled the decision to kill Zamasu in such a frustrating way. "Not that a God of Destruction ever needs a reason to destroy"...that's right!

Additionally, I'm liking this alternate take on Black. The anime portrayed him as very confident and secure, while the manga portrays him as decisive but a bit overwhelmed. The fact that he doesn't have the upper-hand, the way his eyes are outlined to imply stress/strain...he seems like he's carrying the weight of the things he has done. It's all presented subtly as well, which I think is great. I like the smooth-talking, confident Black (which we still might get), but this adds a more complex dimension to the character that the anime didn't have.

[Lord Beerus]

True. This version of Black makes more sense, but he's nowhere near as charming as his anime counterpart.

I agree. The manga also lacks Nozawa (obviously), which was a huge part of Black's awesomeness IMO.

Agree here too
Though, both Hit AND Black aren't as powerful as their anime counterparts, from what it seems. At least Black's power is more consistent in the manga, as in the anime, he goes from being very hurt from SS2 Goku to flat out tanking SSB Vegeta's attacks, then overwhelming Goku, Vegeta and Trunks then to being dominated by Vegeta before fusing. As nice as Black was in the anime, I admit, his power was all over the place in the anime.

The reason Black got overwhelmed by Vegeta was because Vegeta trained in the ROSAT and got stronger.

[HeroR]

I don't think it's wise to generalize the entire DB fandom, as I don't hate Trunks, I just dislike the decisions the of writers of Super for making a lot of aspects in Super nonsensical in terms of what we knew from DBZ. I mean, I agree, the Mafuba and Vegerot were utterly pointless in my opinion when they were brought back. Much more could have been done with both. While I also like how Trunks got the finishing blow in the anime, HOW it happened made no sense. To that end, I just blame the writers for that.

To be clear, Trunks said that Black was about as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Black purposely matched his power to Super Saiyan 2 Goku so he can enjoy the fight and get stronger. Also, the reason he got so damaged was because he was being pulled back towards the time portal and distracted by Trunks' Time Machine. Both times, Goku kicked him in the chest.