Does Broly have more potential than Son Gohan?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Does Broly have more potential than Son Gohan? Well, let's size them up first...

Both have the ability to draw out tremendous power when they are enraged. But only Broly was born with a power level of 10,000 and had to have a restraint put on him because of his power. Also, Broly was named the Legendary Super Saiyan, a power that Gohan never came close to or surpassed until the Cell Games.

But Gohan advanced to Super Saiyan 2, a form that Broly never achieved (please don't bring up a debate about LSSJ & SSJ2's strengths). And Goku said some of his hidden power had been drawn out during their training in the Room of Spirit & Time, and his hidden power was only fully awakened after the Old Kaioshin's ritual. Until then, Gohan still had power that needed to be awakened.

Now, I know Broly's non-canon, but still, it's a discussion.

So, what are your thoughts on this matter?

[Saiyavenger2941]

1.) SS1 Gohan ended up beating Broly. (Granted, with help from Goten, Trunks, and his lovely girlfriend, but still.)
2.) Mystic Gohan could wipe the floor with SS3 Goku even.

I think that answers your question.

[Innagadadavida]

I wonder the extent of mystic Broly. That'd be something... Hey, Toyble... You hear me?

[rereboy]

Mystic Brolly would be the most powerfull character in the series.

I mean, regular brolly in movie 8 had no trouble in pounding 4 SSJ and a super namekian with hardly any real effort. And he achieved that power without any real training!

He never had to train in the desert like gohan did, never had more power awaken by the namekian elder and he never went to the Room of Spirit & Time.
His power just came to him and he never really trained because he never had to.

And still, he almost killed 4 SSJ and a super namekian and was only defeated when the five of them concentrated all their power in one punch.

He took that punch and the planet he was in was destroyed by a giant meteor (I think it was a meteor). And STILL he survived and reached earth for another confrontation.

[Rocketman]

Mystic Brolly would be the most powerfull character in the series.

Vegetto would rip him in half.

[rereboy]

Mystic Brolly would be the most powerfull character in the series.

Vegetto would rip him in half.

We really have no way to know that, since there is no way to know the depths of Brolly`s potential. It doesn`t seem unreasonable to me that Mystic Brolly could rival with Vegetto or even beyond that.

However if you had said that Mystic Vegetto would rip Mystic Brolly in half, that I think it would be true.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

Well, we're talking about a Shonen. So I'm sure Broly's max possible strength is lower due to friendship or something.

[Rocketman]

We really have no way to know that, since there is no way to know the depths of Brolly`s potential. It doesn`t seem unreasonable to me that Mystic Brolly could rival with Vegetto or even beyond that.

That's because you aren't thinking. Vegetto beat the shit out of Super Buu fused with Mystic Gohan as a candy.

[rereboy]

We really have no way to know that, since there is no way to know the depths of Brolly`s potential. It doesn`t seem unreasonable to me that Mystic Brolly could rival with Vegetto or even beyond that.

That's because you aren't thinking. Vegetto beat the shit out of Super Buu fused with Mystic Gohan as a candy.

So?

If Brolly had way more potential than Gohan (which is implied since he NEVER trained and he was that strong), Mystic Brolly would be way more powerfull than Mystic Gohan.

How much more?

That is what we really have no way of knowing. It is possible that he could possibly be stronger that Super Buu fused with Mystic Gohan, and even rival with Vegetto.
All I`m saying is that it doesn`t seem that unreasonable.

And Vegetto as a candy had the same power as in human form while he was way harder to hit. That`s why Buu turned him back. He was actually harder to defeat as a candy

However, Mystic Vegetto would kill Mystic Brolly. I think it is unreasonable to think that Brolly potential would be enough to make him resist Mystic Vegetto.
As for regular Vegeto... It doesn`t seem that unreasonable to me.

[Saiyan-Professor]

I would have to say that Broli would has/have the most potential, which is why they stuck him in a movie. If he had arrived in main continuity given the whole premise behind him he would had ripped everyone apart regardless of the Super Saiyan form they were using. Son Gohan had to get hand outs almost all through the series and then when he received his “Ultimate Jesus Power” he screwed that up. Buscani once spoke of an interesting theory concerning Dayspring’s idea that Broli was a mutant. Buscani added that since Broli was a mutant and lacked a tail his body created the “Legendary” form. In order to tap into power that the other Saiyans did not reach until way later in main continuity Z and GT. Broli not only took his body beyond the limits that Toriyama spoke of in the new guide but he also tapped into Ki reserves whose limits are unknown.

[MCDaveG]

I think the potential an power are different things? Does Broly have more potential? Definitely yes. Was he stronger? As the series progresses no.

[Rocketman]

If Brolly had way more potential than Gohan (which is implied since he NEVER trained and he was that strong), Mystic Brolly would be way more powerfull than Mystic Gohan.

How much more?

That is what we really have no way of knowing. It is possible that he could possibly be stronger that Super Buu fused with Mystic Gohan, and even rival with Vegetto.
All I`m saying is that it doesn`t seem that unreasonable.

And what I'm saying is there is a big, big, BIG gap between Super Gohan Buu and Vegetto.

Base Vegetto was batting Buu around like a cat playing with a toy mouse. He never even broke a sweat during the whole fight. And that's not even counting Vegetto's transformations, which would go all the way up to Super Saiyan 3.

Mystic Broly could be a thousand times stronger than Super Gohan Buu, and Vegetto would still be even further beyond that.

[Piccolo Daimao]

If Brolly had way more potential than Gohan (which is implied since he NEVER trained and he was that strong), Mystic Brolly would be way more powerfull than Mystic Gohan.

How much more?

That is what we really have no way of knowing. It is possible that he could possibly be stronger that Super Buu fused with Mystic Gohan, and even rival with Vegetto.
All I`m saying is that it doesn`t seem that unreasonable.

And what I'm saying is there is a big, big, BIG gap between Super Gohan Buu and Vegetto.

Base Vegetto was batting Buu around like a cat playing with a toy mouse. He never even broke a sweat during the whole fight. And that's not even counting Vegetto's transformations, which would go all the way up to Super Saiyan 3.

Mystic Broly could be a thousand times stronger than Super Gohan Buu, and Vegetto would still be even further beyond that.

Base Vegetto didn't fight Super Gohan Boo in the manga. He just transformed into a Super Saiyan almost immediately after Goku and Vegeta fused. We only see his base form for 4 panels.

[Saiyan-Professor]

If Brolly had way more potential than Gohan (which is implied since he NEVER trained and he was that strong), Mystic Brolly would be way more powerfull than Mystic Gohan.

How much more?

That is what we really have no way of knowing. It is possible that he could possibly be stronger that Super Buu fused with Mystic Gohan, and even rival with Vegetto.
All I`m saying is that it doesn`t seem that unreasonable.

And what I'm saying is there is a big, big, BIG gap between Super Gohan Buu and Vegetto.

Base Vegetto was batting Buu around like a cat playing with a toy mouse. He never even broke a sweat during the whole fight. And that's not even counting Vegetto's transformations, which would go all the way up to Super Saiyan 3.

Mystic Broly could be a thousand times stronger than Super Gohan Buu, and Vegetto would still be even further beyond that.

Base Vegetto didn't fight Super Gohan Boo in the manga. He just transformed into a Super Saiyan almost immediately after Goku and Vegeta fused. We only see his base form for 4 panels.

Yeah, but that touches on many issues related to "canon" as Mike mentioned in the podcast, when you just go by the manga, it appears as if Vegetto had to go Super Saiyan in order to handle Ultimate Buu. However, when you consider the anime Vegetto retains his god-like status.

[FuniYamcha]

If Brolly had way more potential than Gohan (which is implied since he NEVER trained and he was that strong), Mystic Brolly would be way more powerfull than Mystic Gohan.

How much more?

That is what we really have no way of knowing. It is possible that he could possibly be stronger that Super Buu fused with Mystic Gohan, and even rival with Vegetto.
All I`m saying is that it doesn`t seem that unreasonable.

And what I'm saying is there is a big, big, BIG gap between Super Gohan Buu and Vegetto.

Base Vegetto was batting Buu around like a cat playing with a toy mouse. He never even broke a sweat during the whole fight. And that's not even counting Vegetto's transformations, which would go all the way up to Super Saiyan 3.

Mystic Broly could be a thousand times stronger than Super Gohan Buu, and Vegetto would still be even further beyond that.

Base Vegetto didn't fight Super Gohan Boo in the manga. He just transformed into a Super Saiyan almost immediately after Goku and Vegeta fused. We only see his base form for 4 panels.

Yeah, but I'm not sure how relevant canon is when Broly is involved. If you're going to mention canon potentials of characters, then Broly's is zero because he doesn't exist. In my opinion, if we're going to take Broly to be real and relevant in discussion, I'm going to assume that we're in the anime's domain of "canon" as well.

[Wojak]

Vegeta was born with a higher power level than Goku, yet Goku got stronger than Vegeta.
Ruling out Brolly's power at birth as an argument - Check.

We don't know if Brolly didn't train or not. His thinness may be natural or achieved by training. Also, he was pretty good with using his Chi. Noone learns to do that conciously in Dragonball without training their Chi at least.
Ruling out Brolly's power with the assumption that he didn't train as an argument- Check

Did Brolly have a higher potential than Gohan? Did Goten and Trunks have a higher potential than Gohan? We don't know that.
The only guy's max potential shown is Gohan's. It's individual how high someone's potential can be, and probably also due to their race according to the Saiya-jin saga line.

Whether Brolly would be at par with a fighter composed of two of the strongest fighters in the universe, who as Vegetto get their power multiplied, and on that can get 400 times stronger with the SSJ3, is not that sure.

- Let's say that Broly at his LSSJ form is a 250.
- Goku and Vegeta in their base forms in the Buu saga are, let's say, 10 each. As Super Saiya-jins they are a 500, and as Super Saiyajin 2 they are 1000.
- Now let's assume that the potara multiplier is at least 4, since it's stated that the Potara fusion is superior to the Fusion dance. Just assuming here.
- So we get the power of Goku and Vegeta added and multiplied with 4.
That gives us 4000 for Vegetto's base power. As a Super Saiya-jin he is 200.000. As a Super Saiya-jin 2 he is 400.000. As a Super Saiya-jin 3 he is 1.600.000.
- Brolly have to get his power multiplied with 6400 times his normal power.

By my (lousy, I know) calculations, it wouldn't be logical. And I counted with Brollys LSSJ power too.

[Saiyan-Professor]

Vegeta was born with a higher power level than Goku, yet Goku got stronger than Vegeta.
Ruling out Brolly's power at birth as an argument - Check.

We don't know if Brolly didn't train or not. His thinness may be natural or achieved by training. Also, he was pretty good with using his Chi. Noone learns to do that conciously in Dragonball without training their Chi at least.
Ruling out Brolly's power with the assumption that he didn't train as an argument- Check

Did Brolly have a higher potential than Gohan? Did Goten and Trunks have a higher potential than Gohan? We don't know that.
The only guy's max potential shown is Gohan's. It's individual how high someone's potential can be, and probably also due to their race according to the Saiya-jin saga line.

Whether Brolly would be at par with a fighter composed of two of the strongest fighters in the universe, who as Vegetto get their power multiplied, and on that can get 400 times stronger with the SSJ3, is not that sure.

- Let's say that Broly at his LSSJ form is a 250.
- Goku and Vegeta in their base forms in the Buu saga are, let's say, 10 each. As Super Saiya-jins they are a 500, and as Super Saiyajin 2 they are 1000.
- Now let's assume that the potara multiplier is at least 4, since it's stated that the Potara fusion is superior to the Fusion dance. Just assuming here.
- So we get the power of Goku and Vegeta added and multiplied with 4.
That gives us 4000 for Vegetto's base power. As a Super Saiya-jin he is 200.000. As a Super Saiya-jin 2 he is 400.000. As a Super Saiya-jin 3 he is 1.600.000.
- Brolly have to get his power multiplied with 6400 times his normal power.

By my (lousy, I know) calculations, it wouldn't be logical. And I counted with Brollys LSSJ power too.

Yet there was no way to explore Broli’s potential but the premise of the whole movie gave the notion that he was something unique. Even if we count the Golden Ôzaru as the original Legendary Super Saiyan form Broli’s own Legendary form is still only one of its kind (I believe the Daizenshuu testifies to this). If Dayspring’s theory and Buscani’s extension of said theory holds then with Broli, being a mutant that taps into later forms power he has great potential. Also Movie #8 seems to imply that he could continuously draw out more Ki and he also did not suffer from the strain and energy consumption problems as the regular Super Saiyan forms. In regards to Broli’s thin frame that does not, mean anything but perhaps that in base and Super Saiyan 1 he does not have to suffer from too much mass and freedom of movement until he goes Legendary. Concerning Broli’s use of Ki I personally believe Saiyans were born knowing how to fight, Kakarrot being the exception because of his head trauma. They are sent to planets as infants yet they can conquer them. I am sure they encountered enemies while not in Ôzaru form so they would have to know how to defend themselves.

[The Time Traveller]

Isn't Broly's strength already Maximum?


But seriously, I'm betting even Cell could kick his ass.

[Wojak]

Vegeta was born with a higher power level than Goku, yet Goku got stronger than Vegeta.
Ruling out Brolly's power at birth as an argument - Check.

We don't know if Brolly didn't train or not. His thinness may be natural or achieved by training. Also, he was pretty good with using his Chi. Noone learns to do that conciously in Dragonball without training their Chi at least.
Ruling out Brolly's power with the assumption that he didn't train as an argument- Check

Did Brolly have a higher potential than Gohan? Did Goten and Trunks have a higher potential than Gohan? We don't know that.
The only guy's max potential shown is Gohan's. It's individual how high someone's potential can be, and probably also due to their race according to the Saiya-jin saga line.

Whether Brolly would be at par with a fighter composed of two of the strongest fighters in the universe, who as Vegetto get their power multiplied, and on that can get 400 times stronger with the SSJ3, is not that sure.

- Let's say that Broly at his LSSJ form is a 250.
- Goku and Vegeta in their base forms in the Buu saga are, let's say, 10 each. As Super Saiya-jins they are a 500, and as Super Saiyajin 2 they are 1000.
- Now let's assume that the potara multiplier is at least 4, since it's stated that the Potara fusion is superior to the Fusion dance. Just assuming here.
- So we get the power of Goku and Vegeta added and multiplied with 4.
That gives us 4000 for Vegetto's base power. As a Super Saiya-jin he is 200.000. As a Super Saiya-jin 2 he is 400.000. As a Super Saiya-jin 3 he is 1.600.000.
- Brolly have to get his power multiplied with 6400 times his normal power.

By my (lousy, I know) calculations, it wouldn't be logical. And I counted with Brollys LSSJ power too.

Yet there was no way to explore Broli’s potential but the premise of the whole movie gave the notion that he was something unique. Even if we count the Golden Ôzaru as the original Legendary Super Saiyan form Broli’s own Legendary form is still only one of its kind (I believe the Daizenshuu testifies to this). If Dayspring’s theory and Buscani’s extension of said theory holds then with Broli, being a mutant that taps into later forms power he has great potential. Also Movie #8 seems to imply that he could continuously draw out more Ki and he also did not suffer from the strain and energy consumption problems as the regular Super Saiyan forms. In regards to Broli’s thin frame that does not, mean anything but perhaps that in base and Super Saiyan 1 he does not have to suffer from too much mass and freedom of movement until he goes Legendary. Concerning Broli’s use of Ki I personally believe Saiyans were born knowing how to fight, Kakarrot being the exception because of his head trauma. They are sent to planets as infants yet they can conquer them. I am sure they encountered enemies while not in Ôzaru form so they would have to know how to defend themselves.

But, if he with his Legendary forms taps into later forms's power, that means that his potential isn't that big.
Let's say that he taps into his SSJ2 power, and ends up being defeated by three weak Super Saiya-jins, it implies only that his base power is low, and that if he tapped into the SSJ3 transformation, he would still be inferior to Buu saga SSJ3 Goku's power.
I would say that it implies that his potential is low in that case.
The only special thing about him is that he can tap into any forms's power when being at his LSSJ state without his ki consumption being affected.

In the manga, they sent Saiya-jin babies to planets with weak populations, like Earth, where there was a full moon.
The plan was that at the full moon, even a Saiya-jin baby with a powerlevel of 10 could erase the population of the said planet in his Oozaru form (100 in PL this time).
Piccolo Damaio could with a powerlevel of roughly 120 blow up cities with ease.
The Oozau form is the Saiya-jin's true, savage, state.
Even Gohan, who couldn't control his Chi yet at his base state, started demolishing Earth with punches and chi blasts when having transformed into an Oozaru. That accounted for Goku also.
So the babies were not intended to fight in their base forms, but their Oozaru forms. Later they would be picked up after a few years when the population was close to zero.

[Dayspring]

Am I the only one who thinks Broly is nothing special? I really think he was just born powerful, and his legendary SSJ was just its continuity's version of USSJ2.