Gravity training

[JulieYBM]

So...it occured to me that with a battle power of 90,000 Son had 'mastered' 100G. A few hours later, he had a battle power of 3,000,000 which is 33.3333333 times his power when he trained at 100G. So riddle me this, shouldn't he theoritically be able to handle 33.3333333 * 100G = 3,333.33333G? Vegeta, in the Anime, who was theoritically in the early millions after his last Namek Zenkai (as he was able to keep up with some of Freeza's final form moves--movies likely held back to a great deal, but nonetheless), had trouble with 450G. Lack of foresight or...?

[Bussani]

We don't know how battle powers translate to physical strength. x50 battle power might not mean you can lift exactly x50 the weight of something, for instance. Just a thought.

[Kingdom Heartless]

But Goku worked his way up to 100. It wouldn't matter how strong you are (okay, it would, but not at that stage in the series), if you haven't trained your body to handle such a large amount of gravity, it won't be easy if you jump straight into it.

[Tyro]

Base Trunks in the Boo arc was having a very difficult time walking around in 150 G's. In my opinion, he was also in the millions.

[Dayspring]

So...it occured to me that with a battle power of 90,000 Son had 'mastered' 100G. A few hours later, he had a battle power of 3,000,000 which is 33.3333333 times his power when he trained at 100G. So riddle me this, shouldn't he theoritically be able to handle 33.3333333 * 100G = 3,333.33333G? Vegeta, in the Anime, who was theoritically in the early millions after his last Namek Zenkai (as he was able to keep up with some of Freeza's final form moves--movies likely held back to a great deal, but nonetheless), had trouble with 450G. Lack of foresight or...?

Most of Goku's 90,000 came from gravity training, though, meaning a ton of his energy is just muscle strength. All of Vegeta's PL, post 18,000, was derived from near-death boosts, meaning his muscle strength was fairly low when we saw him strugling in 300Gs.

[Kingdom Heartless]

Wasn't Vegeta even struggling to stand up in that amount of Gravity in GT?

I remember finding that really weird (yeah, I know... it's GT).

[JulieYBM]

But Goku worked his way up to 100. It wouldn't matter how strong you are (okay, it would, but not at that stage in the series), if you haven't trained your body to handle such a large amount of gravity, it won't be easy if you jump straight into it.

I shouldn't have let it be thought I wouldn't expect him to work his way up, but I don't quite think it would be as hard as it was with the work up to 100G. After all, wasn't he using his ki to boost his physical strength after a while to compensate for his body's inability to improve any further.


Now, with Present Trunks it is likely his body wasn't as use to such intense levels of gravity so I can see even in the early millions not being enough, as opposed to with Son.


As with Vegeta's zenkai's...I think the body still evolves and grows stronger with them, not just ki. Call it a quick process similar to Namekians regrowing their arms...

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

So...it occured to me that with a battle power of 90,000 Son had 'mastered' 100G. A few hours later, he had a battle power of 3,000,000 which is 33.3333333 times his power when he trained at 100G. So riddle me this, shouldn't he theoritically be able to handle 33.3333333 * 100G = 3,333.33333G? Vegeta, in the Anime, who was theoritically in the early millions after his last Namek Zenkai (as he was able to keep up with some of Freeza's final form moves--movies likely held back to a great deal, but nonetheless), had trouble with 450G. Lack of foresight or...?

No, his battle power was 300,000. Check out one of the Daizenshuu books. it says his power lever was 300,000. If it was 3,000,000, it would be way off chart after recovered from near- death injury from just 90,000.

[JulieYBM]

So...it occured to me that with a battle power of 90,000 Son had 'mastered' 100G. A few hours later, he had a battle power of 3,000,000 which is 33.3333333 times his power when he trained at 100G. So riddle me this, shouldn't he theoritically be able to handle 33.3333333 * 100G = 3,333.33333G? Vegeta, in the Anime, who was theoritically in the early millions after his last Namek Zenkai (as he was able to keep up with some of Freeza's final form moves--movies likely held back to a great deal, but nonetheless), had trouble with 450G. Lack of foresight or...?

No, his battle power was 300,000. Check out one of the Daizenshuu books. it says his power lever was 300,000. If it was 3,000,000, it would be way off chart after recovered from near- death injury from just 90,000.

That translation was wrong. Son is really at 3 million.

[Saiyan-Professor]

Wasn't Vegeta even struggling to stand up in that amount of Gravity in GT?

I remember finding that really weird (yeah, I know... it's GT).

It was 900-950 Gs (or somewhere in that area the gravity kept fluctuating), it was the special training Bulma designed for him to close the gap between his and Kakarrot’s base forms so when he turns Super Saiyan 4 their combat strengths would be even.

[JulieYBM]

Well, I did some more thinking...forgive me if the following is a long-winded post.


Anyhow, if we take Farmer's strength of five and apply it to being a normal human's battle power, theoritically Son Gokû when he fought Freeza would be 600,000 times a normal human's strength/range of strength. If the average weight a human can lift is 'x' (someone smarter than me can define this), than Son Gokû could percievably lift 600,000x. However, I am again unsure of how gravity plays a part in this. We haven't even factored in SSj and a potential base power during the Boo arc!!


Frankly, the walk home from school just wasn't long enough to get further...

[Pain]

Well, I did some more thinking...forgive me if the following is a long-winded post.


Anyhow, if we take Farmer's strength of five and apply it to being a normal human's battle power, theoritically Son Gokû when he fought Freeza would be 600,000 times a normal human's strength/range of strength. If the average weight a human can lift is 'x' (someone smarter than me can define this), than Son Gokû could percievably lift 600,000x. However, I am again unsure of how gravity plays a part in this. We haven't even factored in SSj and a potential base power during the Boo arc!!


Frankly, the walk home from school just wasn't long enough to get further...

Just say it. He's the "Doctor Manhattan" of Dragonball.

[Dayspring]

Well, I did some more thinking...forgive me if the following is a long-winded post.


Anyhow, if we take Farmer's strength of five and apply it to being a normal human's battle power, theoritically Son Gokû when he fought Freeza would be 600,000 times a normal human's strength/range of strength. If the average weight a human can lift is 'x' (someone smarter than me can define this), than Son Gokû could percievably lift 600,000x. However, I am again unsure of how gravity plays a part in this. We haven't even factored in SSj and a potential base power during the Boo arc!!


Frankly, the walk home from school just wasn't long enough to get further...

Behold my Google-Fu!

The maximum weight the average human can lift is their own weight. The average weight of a male is 80kg (176 lbs). A metric ton is 1,000kg (or 2,200 lbs). 600,000 x 80kg = 4,800,000kg (4,800 tons). Goku can't lift 10,000kg (10 tons) without going SSJ in the Boo saga, so I doubt it's a matter of straight PL conversion. I honestly think it comes down solely to muscle strength (or MS + some kind of ki), which is only part(s) of his total PL.

[JulieYBM]

Well, I figure much of their physical attacks in the later years were powered by their ki...

[saiyanprincess]

But Goku worked his way up to 100. It wouldn't matter how strong you are (okay, it would, but not at that stage in the series), if you haven't trained your body to handle such a large amount of gravity, it won't be easy if you jump straight into it.

-Just like Yamcha hopping into the Gravity room to prove a point, and nearly flattening himself.

[Xyex]

No, his battle power was 300,000. Check out one of the Daizenshuu books. it says his power lever was 300,000. If it was 3,000,000, it would be way off chart after recovered from near- death injury from just 90,000.

No, that was a fan mistranslation. The Daizenshuu says Goku was 3,000,000 in base and 150,000,000 as an SSJ (with 100% Freeza at 120,000,0000). It is a rather large increase in power, but when you look at the fight, it fits. Base Goku was about even with Freeza so, since the Daizenshuu have Freeza at 3 million Goku has to be that, or close to it, too.

Personally, I think he was at 100 million as an SSJ (2 million base), Freeza at 95 million, but meh.

[rzrgenesys187]

If I remember correctly, when we see Vegeta in the gravity chamber he has been training in there for a while, which would tire him out eventually no matter how strong he was at the time.

[Dayspring]

Personally, I think he was at 100 million as an SSJ (2 million base), Freeza at 95 million, but meh.

I would have prefered something like that, too. It's really not a stretch for Goku's base to be as low as 2 million; we just need Vegeta to be stronger than 1 million and Goku to be stronger than Vegeta. Vegeta being anywhere between 1 and 2 million is very plausible; a million in Namek saga PLs is a huge deal. Plus 100 (million) is a nice round number.

[JulieYBM]

Except we know for fact that the official numbers are 3 million, 150 million, and 120 million...

[Rocketman]

Except we know for fact that the official numbers are 3 million, 150 million, and 120 million...

The official numbers can't be right, or Goku's Kaiokenx20+SuperKamehameha would've done a lot more that singe Freeza's hand.