Dragonball GT: Why Hate

[Bardock No Sensei]

I've seen some stuff lately that's been bothering me. When it comes to DBGT, it appears that some people hate it, and I want to know why specific reasons why and if there ARE any fans of GT, why do you guys like it?

Please discuss

[Bussani]

I don't hate GT, but there are a lot of reasons that people dislike it.

A lot of it just doesn't make sense, much like a lot of the filler in the anime. For instance, Rild is supposed stronger than Buu (according to Goku), yet Goku fights him as a Super Saiyajin and holds his own. Are we to assume that Goku has become so much stronger that he's now as powerful as SSJ3 while only SSJ1? Okay, I could let that slide. But before that they had trouble fighting giant worms. Are the giant worms also stronger than Buu? And then, they kill Rild by Goku, Trunks and Pan firing a ki blast each, without transforming, without anything. In fact, they spend a lot of time dicking around in base form even when they're getting their asses kicked.

You can tell that Toriyama didn't write it somehow. It doesn't have the same feel or consistency in battle strengths. Characters just seem to be as strong or weak as the writers want them to be. Goku doesn't act the way he does in the manga, he acts the way he does in filler (which makes sense since Toei made the filler too). He also steals the show too much. No one else gets to do anything for most of it.

Don't even get me started on how little sense the Super 17 saga makes.

I dunno. It's not terrible and it has some great ideas, but it's poorly executed and does stand out from DB/Z. Also if we're discussing how something works in the manga, we generally exclude information put forth in GT since Toriyama didn't come up with it.

What I do like about GT are the ideas (Super Saiyajin 4, for instance, is an interesting concept) and the music. The openings, endings and some of the BGM are great.

Edit: By the way, your icon is bigger than the rules allow. Have a smaller version.

[VegettoEX]

I've seen some stuff lately that's been bothering me. When it comes to DBGT, it appears that some people hate it, and I want to know why specific reasons why and if there ARE any fans of GT, why do you guys like it?


Please discuss

As has been noted to you in private already, please remember that you are expected to type properly on this forum. Those corrections are manual ones that the administrators do to kinda give a nudge-nudge, and we will not continue to do them.

You may want to check out Episode #0096 of our podcast, where we discussed... well... "To DBGT or not to DBGT?" was the title, so that should explain itself pretty well!

[Saiyan-Professor]

I've seen some stuff lately that's been bothering me. When it comes to DBGT, it appears that some people hate it, and I want to know why specific reasons why and if there ARE any fans of GT, why do you guys like it?


Please discuss

I am most likely the biggest Dragonball GT fan on this forum. In many ways, I prefer it to the previous parts of the Dragonball/Z story. Yet, I do have some issues like it being more Kakarrot centric than Z and their choice of teaming Pan with Kakarrot on the initial adventures than Vegeta. You will soon learn that most reasons that fans dislike GT are that for some a Dragonball fan has to fit a certain mold, others buy into this idea, and so they will scream that they hate GT for that very reason alone. While some just genuinely dislike it, these ones are being true to themselves while the other group wants to be accepted by the so-called “Elite” or what I call the “Super Fans”.

Now to directly answer your question. Dragonball GT is a continuation of the something that I love. It is nice to see the characters grow in not only skill and power but physically as well. I appreciate how characters such as Vegeta and Kakarrot perform as veterans of battle instead of green rookies learning as they go. They have been on the battlefield for years and they learn to utilize the most of their abilities without wasting energy unnecessarily. The whole ‘they do not transform a lot’ thing shows that they know how to defeat an opponent without expending unnecessary Ki on transformations. In addition to this, I found many of the villains interesting and it had a far better ending than Z, to me GT truly closed out the series. I can go on more concerning why I like GT but this should suffice.

[Rod]

I personally don't like it, because it feels like one giant filler, which makes no sense at all, and like Bussani said, the characters are as strong as Toei wants them to be; SSJ4 Goku gets his ass kicked by a the One star dragon, reverts back to his normal form and isn't even hurt. Plus Toriyama didn't write it

[Wojak]

I can say that I neither like it nor dislike it.

The only things I can say that I dislike is:
- Pan. Everything about Pan. Even her contributions that were advantageous to the heroes.
- Goku. I didn't like his child form that much and neither his überpower. I liked the SSJ4 but it lacked flashyness.
- All the other Saiya-jins except Vegeta. I have only one thing to say: They were reduced to gunfodder.
- The Super 17 saga. Oh Holy Reusage of a Character, should not dance with things named continuity.

[Chuquita]

My only real issues with GT are more aesthetic than anything. I dislike:
-Goku being turned into a child.
-Almost all the new haircuts given to the entire cast. Especially Goten's GT hair = UGH! >_O
-Almost everyone's wardrobe makeovers. TT_TT They just look awful. And especially poor Bulma; who either stopped caring or who's sense style in general just flew out the window. Vegeta's a close runner up.
-The "moostache". Though it does provide amusement when Vegeta goes to shave it off :3


My only major non-aesthetic issue would be them NOT taking Vegeta with them into space. I mean; why on Earth would you leave the one guy who actually has experience traveling around in outer space, behind?!




Oh! And on Super 17; I barely recall that arc at all, but I do remember wondering how in the world Myuu and Gero were able to build another 17 from scratch in ano-yo. o_O

[Shineman]

Actually, i am a big fan of Dragonball GT. I know i will get kill because of this statement, but who cares, I acutally perfer GT over Z

Reason i like GT
Adventures: Haven't seen those since Dragonball
Epic Japanese Music. English version such major ass. I mean come on.(well atleast they fixing that problem)
Kid Goku: Yup, it good to see goku a kid again, but did he get a little darker?
Pan: i never have a problem with her
Vegeta: Love his new look, and still funny as hell
Dragonballs: Finally the Dragonballs have a plot that involve around them. usually, the Dragonballs didn't have do much other than bring people back to life. And they were the Final Villian of an epic Series
Ssj4: what else left to say?
Only Full Blooded: Love that only Full blooded can have ssj4, not every single freaking Saiyan. Really i can go on all day, but in short Gt is my favorite of the 3 series. I always hated the GT haters, because they always complain about something they don't like, like Gohan and such.

[Innagadadavida]

I like many of the concepts of GT, I don't like the execution most of the time. I love the music. The art style is different but I still like it. And I love the sense of adventure that returned in the first half of the series.

I don't like the inconsistencies of power. I especially don't like the idea that there are suddenly creatures in the universe that are stronger than those who we thought were the strongest in existence.

I'm glad that I own the series and I'll happily watch it again, but I don't like it as much as Z and especially not as much as DB.

[Bardock No Sensei]

Thanks, now I know the issue LOL.

[Jackal puFF]

When I first saw it on dvd.. I was amazed. Then It disgusted me.

Goku as a kid again?
He was so annoying in the show.
Trunks was a giant nerd! He should've been like future trunks!
Everybody was just weak and looked weird.

Btw, does anyone have a link to Toriyama's Gt Work or designs?

[Tweaker]

I loved GT, personally; it really brought back a lot of the qualities that I think made the original Dragon Ball so great, with a focus on story, character development, and exploration. Granted, this quality becomes less prominent as the series progresses, and there are quite a few inconsistencies introduced into series canon as a result of it not being Toriyama's creation; still, it doesn't take away from making the show enjoyable--at least for me.

That said, I feel a lot of the reasons people come up with to bash GT into the next dimension are not only unfounded, but reek of mob mentality bandwagoning. Can't win them all, though.

[JulieYBM]

What gets me is the lack of thought Toei placed into the series.

There's no real danger in the beginning of the series when we know Gokû can (presumeably) multiply his power up to 400 times instantaneously, so why fear him being in a pinch in his base form? In my fan fic rewrite of the series I introduced the idea of Son fearing that his body would be destroyed by the SSj power because of its lack of ability to use Instananeous Movement. I think had Toei employed that idea the drama of Son being in a pinch would be far greater earlier on in the series than it was.

Another element I didn't like was the complete and explainationless dropping of Gohan's Ultimate form. Surely Toei doesn't want us to take it as Gohan's SSj form being some sort of 'Ultimate Super Saiyan' form combination.

Those are pretty much my biggest problems with the series.

[Saiyan-Professor]

...Btw, does anyone have a link to Toriyama's Gt Work or designs?

I do not know if this is what you looking for but I have these images.

[Dayspring]

@Prof: Daizenshuu 7 also has those, as well as a third planet which was used for a calendar. In it Pan and Goku are taking on a bunch of monster looking aliens. Trunks is using a gun (some kind of pistol) and what looks like some kind of explosive detonator. O.o Waaay in the bg we see the ship. There's no Giru in this one. Maybe it's an unused design for a planet prior to meeting him?

BTW, the desert planet is Khara, while the giant one is called Monmars.

[Wojak]

I would like to add that I like the Space Adventures in the beginning a lot.
As someone told before, adventure is something we last saw in the beginning of Dragonball (and a little in the beginning of the Freeza arc).
I also like that noone goes higher than SSJ in the beginning of GT either.
When SSJ4 showed up, I gave up hope of having a series where the characters didn't just have to defeat the enemies with sheer power.

[Bussani]

There's no real danger in the beginning of the series when we know Gokû can (presumeably) multiply his power up to 400 times instantaneously, so why fear him being in a pinch in his base form?

This is a good point. Regardless of what the multiplications were, the characters were often getting beaten up by something that should have been a push over. They were probably wasting more ki dicking around and getting beaten up than they would if they just went SSJ and ended it already.

Also, the Professor said that Goku and Vegeta act like veterans. Well, Vegeta might, but I don't think Goku did. It's more like he lost all his battle experience when he became a kid and spent the whole series making rookie mistakes.

For the record, I re-watched half of GT recently and enjoyed it. I do like the series. But it's just poorly executed a lot of the time.

Rild is the best example in the first half of the series. He only seems to be a threatening villain until Toei decides, "nah we don't need him any more, let's move on," and suddenly he becomes a pushover. He said to Goku a few episodes earlier, "so long as there is metal on this planet I can do this forever," then Goku, Trunks and Pan beat him with a 1 handed ki blast each? Ffff..

[Rocketman]

My only major non-aesthetic issue would be them NOT taking Vegeta with them into space. I mean; why on Earth would you leave the one guy who actually has experience traveling around in outer space, behind?!

Because Toei hates Vegeta. They shat on him during movies 6-8 when he should've been the most powerful Z fighter, and his total appearance in 9, 12 and 13 is "Hi! *gets crippled*".

Then GT rolls around and:

-The only guy with experience in space gets left on Earth for the Grand Tour.
-Vegeta is unable to defeat Gohan and Goten.
-Vegeta's hereditary enemy possesses him, remakes his body, and it's up to ~GOKU~ to save him.
-SSj2 Vegeta can't budge Super 17. SSj Kid Goku can punch S17 across half the planet.
-Vegeta gets SSj4!...just in time for it to become totally outclassed by Omega Shenron. Then he gets depowered (and doesn't have a tail anymore, so he can't go SSj4 on his own again), speared through the shoulder and otherwise beat down until Base Kid ~GOKU~ saves him.

[Saiyan-Professor]

...Because Toei hates Vegeta.

Not just Toei hates Vegeta, but Toriyama and a large number of this forum.

They shat on him during movies 5-8 when he should've been the most powerful Z fighter...

Could you elaborate on this point? I heard you mentioned it before and no one challenged you so I thought it was worth finding out why you believe this.

[Jackal puFF]

...Btw, does anyone have a link to Toriyama's Gt Work or designs?

I do not know if this is what you looking for but I have these images.

YES! thank you! Seeing those always seem to make me watch GT.