More Saiyans?

Takuy · Post by **Takuy** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:55 pm

Besides Goku, Nappa, Vegeta, Turles, Paragus, Brolly, Onio, Tarble [the final 5 being non-manga-canon]
Why couldn't other Saiyans survive? I'm sure others were on missions or traveling. If all Saiyans were recalled back to the planet before Frieza arrived: Goku wouldn't have been sent off...So, what are the chances of other Saiyans existing, I mean since Tarble survived too...
Also, Turles: I'm not sure if I remember correctly; but isn't he older then Goku, and left years earlier because he hated the way Frieza ran things or something, so he created his own faction and ran away? Am I crazy?

also, Where can I find the manga adaption of Dragon Ball: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!?

B · Post by B » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:40 pm

Realistically, more Saiyans had to be on missions, adults and infants. It's rather convenient that an /entire/ race of intergalactic space pirates were all on their home planet the /one/ day Freeza decides to off them.

The best assumption we can make is that they lived their lives killing people, came to Vegeta's orbit, found the planet gone, and eventually died of old age or were killed themselves. They'd have no reason to go to Earth unless they had ties to Goku, which they most likely didn't. They probably didn't know Vegeta was still alive either.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:05 pm

One possible explanation would be this:

Freeza said that he wanted to kill all sayans, so maybe after attacking planet Vegeta he ordered his forces in secret to kill every sayan they know of in every planet they knew of, except those three (Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz) who he kept as pets to humiliate and work for him. Of course he lied to them and told them that the planet was destroyed by a meteor and all sayans killed.

They didn`t come after goku because he was sent to earth very briefly before the attack no planet Vegeta. So they knew nothing about it.

Only radditz knew but he had no reason to tell freeza. Freeza and his forces only found out about Goku after Raditz and Vegeta went to Earth, the same way they heard about the Dragon Balls.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:39 pm

Herms stated that the Dragonball GT Perfect Files says that the original home planet of the Saiyans may be still be out there in space intact. Therefore the group that we know that eventually spawned Vegeta and Kakarrot may have been some that left for whatever reason (most likely to pillage and plunder) and when they crashed landed on Planet Plant (according to the OVA) they most likely decided to start their own empire. In light of this, there may be a planet with billions of Saiyans with their old system in tact somewhere in the universe.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:52 pm

Wouldn't Kaiô know about it though?

ssjcj · Post by **ssjcj** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:54 pm

It is interesting that there aren't more Saiya-jin in the series. What I have come to believe is that as the weakest of the Saiya-jin are sent away. They may not have the same will to fight as Vegeta and Goku. Case in point Table.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:01 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:Wouldn't Kaiô know about it though?

If he was paying, attention (he did not even know Cell was causing devastation on the earth) and we do not know if the original planet was in the North quadrant.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:17 pm

I never got the feeling he was absolutely ignorant of whatever wasn't in the North Galaxy specifically. He knew about the Nameccians, for one thing.
And I'd think there's a difference between Kaiô having missed recent developments on one planet and him knowing nothing about a whole planet of soooooo powerful/dangerous Saiyans.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:27 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:I never got the feeling he was absolutely ignorant of whatever wasn't in the North Galaxy specifically. He knew about the Nameccians, for one thing.
And I'd think there's a difference between Kaiô having missed recent developments on one planet and him knowing nothing about a whole planet of soooooo powerful/dangerous Saiyans.

Okay Olivier Hague where is the missing Saiyan planet located, which galaxy does it dwell?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:34 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:I never got the feeling he was absolutely ignorant of whatever wasn't in the North Galaxy specifically. He knew about the Nameccians, for one thing.
And I'd think there's a difference between Kaiô having missed recent developments on one planet and him knowing nothing about a whole planet of soooooo powerful/dangerous Saiyans.

He didn't know about the Namekians until Goku asked him to check. It sounded like he hadn't checked up on them for a while, only remembering that something big happened and he wasn't sure if there were any Namekians left alive there. He also didn't know that Goku was a Saiyajin when he first met him, so he's not exactly all knowing.

VenomSymbiote · Post by **VenomSymbiote** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:38 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if there were more saiyans. However, perhaps Freeza did something akin to what Darth Vader did after most of the Jedi Order was destroyed. Vader was ordered to kill any survivng Jedi. Perhaps Freeza sent others to kill any remaining saiyans, other than ones we see. I wouldn't put it past him.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:15 pm

Bussani wrote:He didn't know about the Namekians until Goku asked him to check. It sounded like he hadn't checked up on them for a while, only remembering that something big happened and he wasn't sure if there were any Namekians left alive there. He also didn't know that Goku was a Saiyajin when he first met him, so he's not exactly all knowing.

No, but I think he would have looked a bit into it at one point or another...

Ah well. 'Just saying that we've been introduced to a whole hierarchy of guys whose entire job is to watch the universe, so my disbelief suspenders would probably snap at the sudden discovery of a whole planet of Saiyans that's been around for centuries.
I think Toriyama was walking a thin line when he justified the new "Big Bads": "Sure, Freeza was the baddest dude in the cosmos. Cell and the Androids? Newly created. Darbura? Well, he's from some reaaaaally remote area, so that doesn't really count. Majin-Boo? Sealed all this time. You'd have to be a Kaiôshin to even know about the little guy. Are you, now? Are you?" So a whole bunch of quite powerful guys that went completely unchecked all this time? Potentially extremely dangerous guys? The same species as the one who, oh, saved the whole universe?

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:47 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
Bussani wrote:He didn't know about the Namekians until Goku asked him to check. It sounded like he hadn't checked up on them for a while, only remembering that something big happened and he wasn't sure if there were any Namekians left alive there. He also didn't know that Goku was a Saiyajin when he first met him, so he's not exactly all knowing.
No, but I think he would have looked a bit into it at one point or another...

Ah well. 'Just saying that we've been introduced to a whole hierarchy of guys whose entire job is to watch the universe, so my disbelief suspenders would probably snap at the sudden discovery of a whole planet of Saiyans that's been around for centuries.
I think Toriyama was walking a thin line when he justified the new "Big Bads": "Sure, Freeza was the baddest dude in the cosmos. Cell and the Androids? Newly created. Darbura? Well, he's from some reaaaaally remote area, so that doesn't really count. Majin-Boo? Sealed all this time. You'd have to be a Kaiôshin to even know about the little guy. Are you, now? Are you?" So a whole bunch of quite powerful guys that went completely unchecked all this time? Potentially extremely dangerous guys? The same species as the one who, oh, saved the whole universe?

I thought they only get involved when the whole universe or a whole galaxy is threatened; they let Freeza run unchecked for years, probably hundreds. Therefore, I think a bunch of Saiyans with combat powers around 1,200 and a minority with what a 5-10,000 combat strength is a big priority especially if they are off in some far away corner of the universe.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:14 pm

It certainly seems plausible that other Saiyans would be out there surviving. They conquered planets for a living, after all.

There's the idea that Freeza might have sent troops out to pick out and eliminate the remaining stragglers. But with their planet wiped out and their overall numbers decimated, I doubt it was really a top priority. In fact, we might have had more Bardock-like cases: Saiyans who were on the front lines often enough that they became strong enough to fight off any of Freeza's elites who came after them.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:20 pm

Maybe a couple, such as Tarble and Goku, slipped by. But, for the most part, I figure that Freeza's men probably hunted the remaining Saiyans down (not taking the "OVA" or GT into account here).

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:20 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:There's the idea that Freeza might have sent troops out to pick out and eliminate the remaining stragglers. But with their planet wiped out and their overall numbers decimated, I doubt it was really a top priority. In fact, we might have had more Bardock-like cases: Saiyans who were on the front lines often enough that they became strong enough to fight off any of Freeza's elites who came after them.

I'd think Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz would have gone after those rather than after the one stranded on Earth...

Travis Touchdown · Post by **Travis Touchdown** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:40 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Herms stated that the Dragonball GT Perfect Files says that the original home planet of the Saiyans may be still be out there in space intact...

Wait... didn't GT say that a Super Saiyan destroyed Vegeta and the Saiyans that arrived on Plant were the survivors?

In b4 "It's GT".

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:49 pm

Travis Touchdown wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:Herms stated that the Dragonball GT Perfect Files says that the original home planet of the Saiyans may be still be out there in space intact...
Wait... didn't GT say that a Super Saiyan destroyed Vegeta and the Saiyans that arrived on Plant were the survivors?

In b4 "It's GT".

Well one could argue that in the manga canon that Planet Vegeta is still ou there

One question though, does the manga or Toriyama ever say anything about Planet Plant, the Tsufuru-jin and the Saiya-jin-Tsufuru-jin war?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:56 am

Regarding the original post:

1) Onio is manga-canon, depending on how you look at it. If you consider any other manga of Toriyama's in the Dragon World to be part of DB canon, then there's no problem with Onio.

2) The Bardock special implied that those sent on missions (with the exception of Radditz and Nappa) were killed off by Freeza's various soldiers.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:59 am

Travis Touchdown wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:Herms stated that the Dragonball GT Perfect Files says that the original home planet of the Saiyans may be still be out there in space intact...
Wait... didn't GT say that a Super Saiyan destroyed Vegeta and the Saiyans that arrived on Plant were the survivors?

In b4 "It's GT".

I do not recall that, was it in the dub or the Japanese?

Rod wrote:...Well one could argue that in the manga canon that Planet Vegeta is still ou there

One question though, does the manga or Toriyama ever say anything about Planet Plant, the Tsufuru-jin and the Saiya-jin-Tsufuru-jin war?

Herms stated that Toriyama wrote and designed the material we see in the filler scenes where Kaio-Sama tells Kakarrot about his Saiyan history. He had posted an image taken from Landmark that had Toriyama’s designs and notes for the animation staff. I think this is an example of what Herms brought to our attention.

Dayspring wrote:Regarding the original post:

1) Onio is manga-canon, depending on how you look at it. If you consider any other manga of Toriyama's in the Dragon World to be part of DB canon, then there's no problem with Onio.

2) The Bardock special implied that those sent on missions (with the exception of Radditz and Nappa) were killed off by Freeza's various soldiers.

Others showing up like Onio and his wife for example can be easily answered in universe beyond the gag manga answer via the missing original home planet of the Saiyans (Saiya). If Bardock descended from the original Saiyans that crashed landed on Planet Plant, perhaps the original Saiyans that was apart of the crash party did not speak of the original home world existence if they wanted to create their own empire.