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Is it possible that Super Saiyan transformations...

Post by IncredibleGuy » Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:41 am

Is it possible that Super Saiyan transformations merely add to a person's current power level, instead of multiplying it like most believe? Specifically, is there any evidence that states this could not be possible.
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Post by Rocketman » Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:51 am

IncredibleGuy wrote:Is it possible that Super Saiyan transformations merely add to a person's current power level, instead of multiplying it like most believe? Specifically, is there any evidence that states this could not be possible.
Well, the only SSj transformation that has canon power levels is Goku on Namek.

Normal Goku - 300,000
SSj Goku - 15,000,000

That seems like too big of a gap to be just addition.
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Post by IncredibleGuy » Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:55 am

Thanks for the info, I never knew there were canon powerlevel/s for SS Goku.

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By the way, is that reading for normal Goku with or without his Kaio-ken activated?
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:04 am

Those are the Daizenshuu power levels, so they're not 100% accurate, but...

Goku: 300,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x10: 3,000,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x20: 6,000,000
Goku SSJ: 15,000,000
Freeza 100% Final Form: 12,000,000

Yeah, they're kinda...meh. A 3,000,000 gap? Right...
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Post by Rocketman » Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:25 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Those are the Daizenshuu power levels, so they're not 100% accurate, but...

Goku: 300,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x10: 3,000,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x20: 6,000,000
Goku SSJ: 15,000,000
Freeza 100% Final Form: 12,000,000

Yeah, they're kinda...meh. A 3,000,000 gap? Right...
Could be why SSj Goku was so confident he could thrash Freeza.
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:55 pm

They were pretty close in power, Goku probably had a advantage on 1,000,000 or so. The Daiz is wrong on a lot of things.

Freeza form 2: 1,000,000
Piccolo 800,000

Yeah, ummm, Piccolo (W/O weighted clothing)>Freeza form 2 (Powered up)>Piccolo (Weighted clothing)>Freeza form 2

Freeza's form 2 (before powering up) was at 1,000,000, and Piccolo with his weights was stronger, so WTF?
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Post by *PINHEAD* » Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:24 pm

Perhaps it just adds to it, but so greatly that it seems like multiplying...
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Post by johnboy1 » Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:50 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 800,000 was just Planet Namek's level. The Daiz lists Nail-Piccolo as "over 1,000,000" so they finally got something right.
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Post by Duo » Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:54 am

Pardon me if Links aren't allowed in this forum because I am too lazy to check.

http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/forum/ ... ntry191006

This is an editorial I did addressing this issue on another message board. I would hope some of you have some thoughts on my idea's regarding this topic.
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:26 am

johnboy1 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 800,000 was just Planet Namek's level. The Daiz lists Nail-Piccolo as "over 1,000,000" so they finally got something right.
Nah, I've never been to Planet Namek, so there is no way I would know that. I'm positive it was 800,000.

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Post by Zackarotto » Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:58 am

Is a forum exists where links aren't allowed, I do not want to see it...
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Post by Sun_Wukong » Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:51 am

Powerlevels are just frikkin annoying. Thank god they got rid of them after the Freeza saga.
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Post by Duo » Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:12 pm

Sup Chibi, nice to see ya.

Up until recently, MFG Forums didn't allow Links...

At any rate, does anyone have comment on my thoughts posted in that link?
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Post by laserkid » Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:50 pm

Dup, thats a very well thought out and logical editorial, I think you've made some good points.
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Post by Duo » Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:43 pm

laserkid wrote:Dup, thats a very well thought out and logical editorial, I think you've made some good points.
...Dup?

Anyway, thanks. I've had only a few people argue against that so far...but I really shouldn't have been so inconclusive in explaining Goku's Base.
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Post by Rocketman » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:55 am

Duo wrote:
laserkid wrote:Dup, thats a very well thought out and logical editorial, I think you've made some good points.
...Dup?

Anyway, thanks. I've had only a few people argue against that so far...but I really shouldn't have been so inconclusive in explaining Goku's Base.
Agreed, it's a good editorial. I've had to come to the same conclusion myself when trying to make power level charts. Using x50 for every Super Saiyan trans. gives some really odd numbers.
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Post by johnboy1 » Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:28 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Nah, I've never been to Planet Namek, so there is no way I would know that. I'm positive it was 800,000.
Trust me, my friend, you don't have to have been to PN to know that. PN vies with Saiyanz Pride for the title of "Most Copied Power Level List." Thousands of sites have that number down, some of them actually respectable.

But, just to make sure I'm not being a stubborn ass, can someone here with the respective Daiz solve this little quandary?
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:34 am

johnboy1 wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Nah, I've never been to Planet Namek, so there is no way I would know that. I'm positive it was 800,000.
PN vies with Saiyanz Pride for the title of "Most Copied Power Level List."
Oh, they you're probably right ^_^
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Post by VegettoEX » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:19 pm

johnboy1 wrote:But, just to make sure I'm not being a stubborn ass, can someone here with the respective Daiz solve this little quandary?
Sure!

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Post by Duo » Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:38 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
johnboy1 wrote:But, just to make sure I'm not being a stubborn ass, can someone here with the respective Daiz solve this little quandary?
Sure!

*ignores power levels*

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Seriously, I find it saddening that the PN list or whatever is used at all, it has Chao Gohan less than Twice as strong as SS2 Cell Games Gohan. Very retarded.
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