Original DBZ vs Dubs

riponks89 · Post by **riponks89** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:09 pm

I grew up watching the US Dub, and now I'm watching DBKai and it's way more interesting. For example, North Kai has an old voice. In the US version he has this nerdy voice which doesn't make him sound venerable. It's like that with every character. With the Dub characters you get confused with what kind of person they are. I'm sure there are many more bad things about the Dubs. Thank goodness for fansubbing, but I'm not sure If I can trust them either. Maybe I should just try to learn Japanese. I'm late to realize this but the original is best.

Sin · Post by **Sin** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:15 pm

This topic is just a provocation for an argument that has been waging for a good century now.

It is all about opinion, some prefer the Dub and some don't.

riponks89 · Post by **riponks89** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:20 pm

Sin wrote:This topic is just a provocation for an argument that has been waging for a good century now.

It is all about opinion, some prefer the Dub and some don't.

Well I don't want to provoke... anything. Just wanted to say how I felt.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:24 pm

The original vs dub discussion is pointless now. It's all about opinion. If you have a desire to impress your opinion, state it in other thread that is about, well you know, original vs dub.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:28 pm

riponks89 wrote:Thank goodness for fansubbing, but I'm not sure If I can trust them either.

Honestly, probably not (at least in terms of exact phrasing, they generally get the right messgae across). The fansubs of Kai I'm watching are full of swearing. Especially Vegeta, he's all "Fucking hell" and "Go fuck yourself" and "You little dipshits!".

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:28 pm

riponks89 wrote:I grew up watching the US Dub, and now I'm watching DBKai and it's way more interesting. For example, North Kai has an old voice. In the US version he has this nerdy voice which doesn't make him sound venerable. It's like that with every character. With the Dub characters you get confused with what kind of person they are. I'm sure there are many more bad things about the Dubs. Thank goodness for fansubbing, but I'm not sure If I can trust them either. Maybe I should just try to learn Japanese. I'm late to realize this but the original is best.

Then maybe you should switch over to the Japanese version on the DVDs. Personally I don't like how the shitty fansub groups are translating Kai so I'll just wait on Daimao to sub them whenever Funi gets the show.

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:The original vs dub discussion is pointless now. It's all about opinion. If you have a desire to impress your opinion, state it in other thread that is about, well you know, original vs dub.

The OP typed "dubs", you know, in plural forum. Which means the person is comparing the original Japanese and just about any dub.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:31 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:
riponks89 wrote:Thank goodness for fansubbing, but I'm not sure If I can trust them either.
Honestly, probably not (at least in terms of exact phrasing, they generally get the right messgae across). The fansubs of Kai I'm watching are full of swearing. Especially Vegeta, he's all "Fucking hell" and "Go fuck yourself" and "You little dipshits!".

Animelabs is subbing Kai too?

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:42 pm

Do we need even more of this (US)dub VS Japanese blahblub threads?

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:45 pm

Did I hear the keys jingling already?

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:46 pm

I think it's sad that someone can't express their opinion on discovering the original version of the series without either being chastised for it or without it sparking a huge argument regarding dubs vs subs and one of them being somehow factually superior to the other, despite it being a matter of subjective preference.

Seriously--can't we just discuss the topic he proposed? You know, it's entirely possible for a topic to exist for those who prefer subs to explain why without being condescending or those who prefer the dub to respect that without coming in and claiming that they're being oppressed; conversely, the same could easily apply to threads that concern those who prefer the dub.

Is it really that hard for everyone not to take gigantic steaming dumps upon one another? It's not a complicated issue.

And further, what's up with all this mob mentality backseat modding bullshit? Last I checked, it was up to Mike to decide what threads get to stay and what don't--not you.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:48 pm

Timo wrote:Do we need even more of this (US)dub VS Japanese blahblub threads?

Lets talk about the German dub.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:52 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Amigo Ten wrote:
riponks89 wrote:Thank goodness for fansubbing, but I'm not sure If I can trust them either.
Honestly, probably not (at least in terms of exact phrasing, they generally get the right messgae across). The fansubs of Kai I'm watching are full of swearing. Especially Vegeta, he's all "Fucking hell" and "Go fuck yourself" and "You little dipshits!".
Animelabs is subbing Kai too?

I complained a bit about the translator's wording myself, but I don't remember "go fuck yourself", dipshit works for a Vegeta speech, though. How to translate swearing is actually quite subjective, keep that in mind.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:57 pm

Tweaker wrote:I think it's sad that someone can't express their opinion on discovering the original version of the series without either being chastised for it or without it sparking a huge argument regarding dubs vs subs and one of them being somehow factually superior to the other, despite it being a matter of subjective preference.

Seriously--can't we just discuss the topic he proposed? You know, it's entirely possible for a topic to exist for those who prefer subs to explain why without being condescending or those who prefer the dub to respect that without coming in and claiming that they're being oppressed; conversely, the same could easily apply to threads that concern those who prefer the dub.

Is it really that hard for everyone not to take gigantic steaming dumps upon one another? It's not a complicated issue.

And further, what's up with all this mob mentality backseat modding bullshit? Last I checked, it was up to Mike to decide what threads get to stay and what don't--not you.

The thing is, do we really need another thread for this? I can think of 2 very recent threads that were discussions about fans of the Japanese version and fans of the dub.

I do agree about the whole "backseat modding" bullshit though. Everyone is jumping all over the poor new guy.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:23 pm

Timo wrote:Do we need even more of this (US)dub VS Japanese blahblub threads?

So noone else in the entire fandom is allowed to express an opinion on the issue? If such a thread doesn't suit your fancy, absolutely noone is forcing you to left click. Take control of your destiny!

And riponks89, as a former dubbie (mainly from the Ocean days, though I watched the FUNi dub all the way through), I completely agree. Even compared to the same actors in other FUNi dubs (YYH and FMA, for example), the performances in DBZ come off, in my opinion, as forced. YYH in particular was a treat because I was caught off guard. Familiar actors, in some cases using similar voices to their DBZ roles, but sounding so much better.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:25 pm

Onikage725 wrote:
Timo wrote:Do we need even more of this (US)dub VS Japanese blahblub threads?
So noone else in the entire fandom is allowed to express an opinion on the issue? If such a thread doesn't suit your fancy, absolutely noone is forcing you to left click. Take control of your destiny!

And riponks89, as a former dubbie (mainly from the Ocean days, though I watched the FUNi dub all the way through), I completely agree. Even compared to the same actors in other FUNi dubs (YYH and FMA, for example), the performances in DBZ come off, in my opinion, as forced. YYH in particular was a treat because I was caught off guard. Familiar actors, in some cases using similar voices to their DBZ roles, but sounding so much better.

That's not the point. We already have threads up for this kind of discussion.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:26 pm

Onikage725 wrote:
Timo wrote:Do we need even more of this (US)dub VS Japanese blahblub threads?
So noone

Leave Mr.Noone out of this.

evilp666 · Post by **evilp666** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:33 pm

Is there any anime labs videos floating around youtube?

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:35 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:
Timo wrote:Do we need even more of this (US)dub VS Japanese blahblub threads?
So noone else in the entire fandom is allowed to express an opinion on the issue? If such a thread doesn't suit your fancy, absolutely noone is forcing you to left click. Take control of your destiny!

And riponks89, as a former dubbie (mainly from the Ocean days, though I watched the FUNi dub all the way through), I completely agree. Even compared to the same actors in other FUNi dubs (YYH and FMA, for example), the performances in DBZ come off, in my opinion, as forced. YYH in particular was a treat because I was caught off guard. Familiar actors, in some cases using similar voices to their DBZ roles, but sounding so much better.
That's not the point. We already have threads up for this kind of discussion.

Thank you.

Raki wrote: Lets talk about the German dub.

Even for that there is a thread.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:55 pm

sangofe wrote:I complained a bit about the translator's wording myself, but I don't remember "go fuck yourself", dipshit works for a Vegeta speech, though. How to translate swearing is actually quite subjective, keep that in mind.

You may be watching different subs. Episode #16 had loads of fucks in it. The best one was "Fucking hell. That sucked ass if I do say so myself."

russ869 · Post by **russ869** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:13 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Did I hear the keys jingling already?

I certainly hope not.

Tweaker wrote:Is it really that hard for everyone not to take gigantic steaming dumps upon one another?

Sorry, man. Sometimes I just can't hold it in.

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