What's Your Take On GT?

FistOfTheSun · Post by **FistOfTheSun** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:28 pm

Some people love it, some people just wish "that plot hole ridden, non canon shit would just die".

I myself can't really make an efficient evalutation, chiefly because I havn't really watched enough to do so.

Anyway what do you think about GT?

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:32 pm

Pretty much "That Plothole ridden, non-canon shit would just die".

GT was terrible.

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:33 pm

Some of the ideas were cool (such as the evil dragons), but they were executed poorly. Plus, I wasn't a fan of what they did to some of the characters designs.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:34 pm

I like nearly all the character redesigns. The ideas were good but the execution was so incredibly horrible I'm forced to hate it.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:36 pm

It had a chance to surpass Z but they ruined it. GT designs were well done. The plots were all good. But they executed very poorly. It has to be Goku to save the day.

RemiLeopold · Post by **RemiLeopold** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:44 pm

I thought GT was a jumbled mess of excellent ideas with horrible execution, plot holes, and bad character designs, but it has a couple of saving graces.

1 - The Theme Songs. Dan Dan Kokoro is so damn catchy.

2 - The Ending. I feel that it puts a nice close to the saga of Dragon Ball.

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:45 pm

RemiLeopold wrote:1 - The Theme Songs. Dan Dan Kokoro is so damn catchy.

Yes, the music was definitely awesome.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:46 pm

Most of the character designs, even though they were made by Mr. Toriyama, sadden me.

Biggest offenders: Vegeta (and his moostache; thank goodness they had Bura say something) and Goten.

Trunks's suit in episode 2 makes me cringe in dismay. >_O

As for the storyline:
-Liked the idea of an outerspace DB hunt
-Did NOT like the chibifying of Goku (and that he never really got his adult body back til the epilogue; I think he deserved to get his adult body back pre or post Bebi)
-Wish that Vegeta had gone with them on the outerspace DB hunt.
-17 was meh. I liked the gameboard episode with the whole Goku VS Nurse Chi-Chi and her giant needle. I think the levels of hell could've been written better than they were. I also would have preferred a bigger role for 18 and Marron in this arc.
-Concerning ssj4 Gogeta: I still don't understand how they get red from blue/black hair + dark brown hair.
-Could've used less gag dragons. I would have preferred the "final" threat be a little more...threatening.

-The ending was well done but was depressing in that Shenlong kind of essentially "ate" Goku. (Absorbed him? Dematerialized him into nutrients?)
-I wish Pan and Bura had gotten to go ssj.
-I also wish we'd gotten to see Adult Gotenks. I don't know HOW they could've passed up such an opportunity. o_O
-The whole idea of Shenlong flying away to some mystical place kind of clashes with the demystifying of his origins that occur early on when Kami-sama and Mr. Popo are revealed.

So, in conclusion; it's ohkay, but it could've been so MUCH better than it was.

DBAlpha · Post by **DBAlpha** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:55 pm

Aside from all the plot holes and over all every other problem, which there are just too many to list, i think GT was too damn Goku - centric. Everything had to revolve around Goku which just made everything redundant.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:59 pm

Good ideas, bad execution.

First off, there's so many plotholes and weirdness and inconsistent things going on, that at times it seems as if the writers at Toei never even read the original manga, or even the earlier portions of their own show. But if you kinda turn your brain off and don't try to make too much sense of it, GT can be entertaining. Well, maybe not ALL of it.

I really like the first half, the hunt across space for the Black Star Dragon Balls. It was entertaining, and mostly succeeded in hearkening back to that fun and carefree attitude that the early portions of the original manga had. Also, Ledgic is the awesomest GT character.

The second half of the first half of the series, the Baby saga, is also pretty enjoyable. Baby himself is a good villain, and Super Saiyan 4 is downright awesome. If the animation during Goku and Baby's fight would have just stayed consistently good, then I'd peg it as the show's best arc.

Super 17 was kinda fun. I really like how Goku and Super 17 were knocking each other clear across continents and into outer space and what-not with their punches. I always thought, "yes, THIS is the scale that the fights in this series should be on!" Unfortunately, NOTHING IN THE ARC MAKES ANY SENSE. It's hard to enjoy because it's the hardest arc by far to "turn your brain off" for and not notice all the plotholes and stupidity.

The Shadow Dragons arc was possibly the biggest example of "good ideas, bad execution" motif. The concept itself, of the disgruntled DragonBalls spewing evil creatures, is very creative. A few of the Dragons themselves are really cool. Some of them are just plain lame. Unfortunately, the lameness drastically outweighs the coolness in the arc as a whole. I mean shoot, they even made Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta stupid. :/

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:16 pm

I like Gt although yes there were plotholes.

But on the other hand; to the haters..... theres no amount of hating that will make GT go away or not exist and theres nothing you can ever do to change it. =-]

Theres a 'strong opinion' to those who "strongly hate" GT.

Thanos · Post by **Thanos** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:55 am

I love GT. Not as much as Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z, but it's my third favourite anime (and only one of three I actually like).

Though, with DB/DBZ, all the decisions that were ultimately made I liked and was satisfied with, however, in GT... I didn't like how Boo "died" (since when could he die merely from being beaten up?), some random mutant/robot guy who is more powerful than Majin Boo, Goten/Trunks' potential being nerfed (I mean really... neither of Goku's sons ended up being anything special, and both of Vegeta's kids are wimps), as well as Pan's existence... how every single plot line was a rehash or revisit of a previous story. The plot where they search for the Dragon Balls... no mystery where that comes from, the Bebi Saga is about an old enemy of the Saiyajin, the Super 17 Saga is about... Red Ribbon stuff again (the fourth, time, including the #13 movie, C'MON)... the evil Dragons created through the lack of evil wishes...

It seems to me like, considering all the movies basically being redone versions of old stories, as well as the Garlic Junior Saga being a rehash... whoever writes at Toei has literally no imagination. It's all based upon rehashes, revisits, etc...

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:01 am

I like it, it's fun, it's Dragon Ball, why bother picking it to pieces?

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:08 am

I treat GT like a giant 14th movie. It's not canon, it can be nonsensical but it's still a fairly good time if you don't over analyze it.

The Super 17 arc was really painful though. Talk about a clusterfuck of bad ideas.

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:10 am

I still haven't watched past the Baby saga. My main complaint is with Pan. She's the complete opposite of what I expected her to be like after seeing her at the end of Z: a self absorbed, annoying, whiny little bitch. Not to mention she's completely useless, and always relies on Grandpa to bail her ass out. I expected much more from the daughter of Gohan, and grand daughter of Goku. She couldn't even become a Super Saiya-jin.

Toei trashed her.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:17 am

The Time Traveller wrote:I like it, it's fun, it's Dragon Ball, why bother picking it to pieces?

It's not really fun or Dragonball to some people though... Anyway, this thread has been created a bunch of times before, so by now everyone knows my stance. And I doubt they care to hear it again.

FistOfTheSun · Post by **FistOfTheSun** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:10 am

JAPPO wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:I like it, it's fun, it's Dragon Ball, why bother picking it to pieces?
It's not really fun or Dragonball to some people though... Anyway, this thread has been created a bunch of times before, so by now everyone knows my stance. And I doubt they care to hear it again.

Sorry if it has been made numerous times before. I used the search function to make sure it hadn't. Obivously I missed something, but still it would be great to know your opinion on the matter

dragondyle · Post by **dragondyle** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:28 am

Am I the only one who thought GT was better than Z?

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:33 am

dragondyle wrote:Am I the only one who thought GT was better than Z?

Probably not, but you're certainly one of the very few. :/

Could you explain why?

B · Post by B » Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:24 am

GT is better than Z. Straightforward narrative due to being shorter, better animation due to being be shorter, fantastic music, sans Dan Dan... It's quite an entertaining show. I obviously don't accept it as canon, due to the many contradictions, but who honestly watched GT expecting it not to do that, unless you're just not well-acquainted with fiction being written by someone other than the author.

Now, if we're talking volumes 17-42 of the manga, then no, that trumps GT.