Is Majin Buu as Strong as Super Buu?

[FistOfTheSun]

This has been bugging me for quite a bit now. Is Majin Buu prior to expelling his negative half as strong as Super Buu?
I mean they both have the exact same properties save for one being dominated by their good half and the other being dominated by their evil half. So what's the deal?

[Bussani]

Seems logical. It's the same being, just shifted around a bit. I suppose he might have become a bit more powerful due to his body changing, much like Freeza's power goes up when he transforms, but there's not really any way of telling. We do know that Fat Buu beat SSJ2 Vegeta and Base Gotenks. Considering he was that strong to begin with, it doesn't seem to matter if he got any stronger or not. He just became more of a threat due to the personality shift.

[Tyro]

Goku stated that he could've beaten Majin Boo using SSj3. It's arguable that Boo wasn't at full power, but whatever. He also stated that SSj Gotenks (pre-RoSaT) would be his superior in power. It took Gotenks being a SSj3 to roughly equal "Shin" Boo. I don't believe Majin Boo was equal to "Shin" Boo.

[rereboy]

I don`t think so.

I think that buu, when he absorbed Dai Kaioshin, was consumed by his overwhelming good and kind nature. Overall his absorption backfired on him and instead of becoming stronger, he becomes tamed and weaker in power.

Here is how I classify all the buus starting with the weakest

Option 1: Fat buu < evil buu / kid buu < super buu < muscle buu < Piccolo buu < gotenks buu < gohan buu

Option 2: Fat buu < evil buu / kid buu < muscle buu < super buu < Piccolo buu < gotenks buu < gohan buu

Option 3: Fat buu < evil buu / kid buu < super buu < Piccolo buu < muscle buu < gotenks buu < gohan buu

I divided it into 3 options because I don`t know exactly how strong muscle buu is.
Overall I think that options 1 and 3 are the ones most likely because Goku says that super buu is becoming stronger when he starts to degenerate into muscle buu. But there is no way to know how muscle buu compares to piccolo buu.
Btw, evil buu is the grey buu that Fat buu expels.

[Bussani]

Goku stated that he could've beaten Majin Boo using SSj3.

He couldn't even beat Kid Buu with SSJ3 though. Unless dead-SSJ3 Goku had a much better chance. Or maybe Kid Buu is stronger than Fat Buu was?

He also stated that SSj Gotenks (pre-RoSaT) would be his superior in power.

I skimmed a few volumes of the manga, but I can't seem to find that being mentioned. Do you know roughly when he said it, by any chance?

It took Gotenks being a SSj3 to roughly equal "Shin" Boo.

Well, we never did see SSJ Gotenks fight Fat Buu, so it's hard to know how they would measure up. Also, when Buu transformed after the old one ate the fat one, Piccolo comments that his form had changed to a more 'battle suited' one and he was now 'pure rage'. He doesn't make any mention that Buu had become more powerful, the way they usually do. That's not really evidence, but it's worth noting.

Since emotion does make all the difference, though, he could be more powerful just because of the temperament. Or maybe he had the same power, but was just more trigger happy with it and focused on fighting seriously.

[omegacwa]

Well, Kid Buu has to be stronger than Fat Buu because Vegeta at SSJ2 did pretty decent against Fat Buu to the point where arguably if Buu didn't have regenerative abilities Vegeta could have defeated him, but Vegeta got Trounced by Kid Buu.

If we are talking mathematically here, Fat Buu and Super Buu should be the same strength since they are both the sum of the same parts, but since this is a manga, where logic doesn't, well hardly ever, applies, Super Buu is made out to be the clear superior.

[Amigo Ten]

If Kid Buu couldn't regenerate Vegeta would probably would have beaten him too.

[rereboy]

If Kid Buu couldn't regenerate Vegeta would probably would have beaten him too.

Yes, but remember that kid buu also defeated fat buu, and there is nothing to suggest that fat buu became weaker than he was prior to expelling his evil side.

Also, fat buu did a pretty good job at holding off kid buu. He fought better and longer than SSJ2 Vegeta, implying that his power is pretty much on the same level as when Vegeta fought with him and sacrificed himself to try to kill him.

Thats why I put kid buu on the same level of power as evil/grey buu. They seemed to both have the pretty much the same advantage over fat buu, even though the fight with evil/grey buu was shorter because he didn`t waste time turning fat buu into chocolate. In fact, if we had to pick who was stronger out of fat buu and evil buu based on the fights we would have to choose evil buu. But I believe they are on the same range of power so I just say they are about equal.
And he became stronger after eating Fat buu, otherwise he wouldn`t reserve fat buu the same fate as the ones he obsorbed. So super buu is superior.

[Vegeta Jr]

Gohan Buu > Gotenks Buu > Super Buu > Evil Buu > Fat Buu > Kid Buu > Good Buu

[rereboy]

Thats one possible combination if we consider true that fat buu lost power after expelling his evil side.

I personally don`t think so, but it is possible.

[Vegeta Jr]

Simple really, Vegeta stood no chance against Fat Buu yet put up a semi decent fight with Kid Buu. Yet Good Buu was swatted away by Kid Buu like a common house fly, it was his weight that pinned down Kid Buu and only because it was a surprise attack.

[rereboy]

Simple really, Vegeta stood no chance against Fat Buu yet put up a semi decent fight with Kid Buu. Yet Good Buu was swatted away by Kid Buu like a common house fly, it was his weight that pinned down Kid Buu and only because it was a surprise attack.

I disagree, Vegeta`s fights with Fat buu and Kid buu in the manga were very, very similar. He was able to destroy pieces of his body (which isnt really relevant since even bullets go through buu`s body), but there was simply no comparison between their power.

And good buu fought better and longer against kid buu than Vegeta, implying that he was stronger than SSJ 2 Vegeta by a good deal.

However, since Vegeta was in babidi`s power he might be weaker fighting kid buu than he was fighting fat buu. So that would explain it while making fat buu stronger than good buu.

[Yamcha_krillin]

Yes, but remember that kid buu also defeated fat buu, and there is nothing to suggest that fat buu became weaker than he was prior to expelling his evil side.
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He defeated Good Buu the weaker version of Fat Buu.

It was said after he split that some of his power went to evil buu and some to Mr.Buu

[rereboy]

Yes, but remember that kid buu also defeated fat buu, and there is nothing to suggest that fat buu became weaker than he was prior to expelling his evil side.
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He defeated Good Buu the weaker version of Fat Buu.

It was said after he split that some of his power went to evil buu and some to Mr.Buu

As far as I know there is nothing in the manga saying that the fat buu lost power at all when he created evil buu. All that is said is that due to the evil that was consuming him, he separated himself from his evil part.

As far as we know, he may have simply created other buu who is stronger, where he put all his evil, without becoming weaker.

All we know is that good buu is well above SSJ2 level, judging from his fight with kid buu and Vegeta fight with kid buu.

There is no definite conclusion to be made.

Personally, when I look at the fights with fat buu and good buu, I think they are on the same level. Which is also why I think that he didn`t become weaker.

[Eddie]

This is from the Viz translation, so I don't know how accurate it is. It does, however, suggest that Kid Buu is far superior to Fat Buu, even more powerful than "Super" Buu.

Old Kai- "Then... this small Boo is the very first, MOST DIFFICULT one?"

Later...

Vegeta- "Boo is stronger than I imagined."

Vegeta had fought Fat Buu, so I don't see why people think Kid Buu is only a bit stronger. Vegeta was shocked that Kid Buu was so powerful. Whether or not Kid Buu is stronger than "Super" Buu is debatable, but if that translation is accurate, he might be.

[rereboy]

This is from the Viz translation, so I don't know how accurate it is. It does, however, suggest that Kid Buu is far superior to Fat Buu, even more powerful than "Super" Buu.

Old Kai- "Then... this small Boo is the very first, MOST DIFFICULT one?"

Later...

Vegeta- "Boo is stronger than I imagined."

Vegeta had fought Fat Buu, so I don't see why people think Kid Buu is only a bit stronger. Vegeta was shocked that Kid Buu was so powerful. Whether or not Kid Buu is stronger than "Super" Buu is debatable, but if that translation is accurate, he might be.

Stronger than fat buu, yes, I believe. Stronger than Super Buu, no. Goku was afraid to fight super buu and even said to Vegeta that they would be killed if they faced super buu when they were inside of him.

However, thats wasn`t true with kid buu. They even seemed optimistic. However, despise being weaker, he still was very strong and a very hard opponent with all his regeneration.

Old Kaioshin says that he`s the most difficult one because he`s the cruelest of them all. Instead of screwing around he just blew Earth, for example.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

The simple answer is no. Fat man can't reach Super Boo/Mega Boo's power on his own. He's too restricted to do such. Piccolo also states Super Boo is more powerful than the previous Boo in every way, so he's not as strong as him.

And yes, he's weaker than Kid Boo, too.

[Bussani]

Piccolo also states Super Boo is more powerful than the previous Boo in every way, so he's not as strong as him.

When does he say that? Technically he just says that the new Buu has a body more suited to battle, and is pure rage now. That probably does make him a better fighter, definitely more dangerous, but that could all be more about intent and focus than raw strength. Then again, when talking about ki, intent and focus makes all the difference.

I'm not actually disagreeing with you, just playing devil's advocate.

Well, Kid Buu has to be stronger than Fat Buu because Vegeta at SSJ2 did pretty decent against Fat Buu to the point where arguably if Buu didn't have regenerative abilities Vegeta could have defeated him, but Vegeta got Trounced by Kid Buu.

Kid Buu is insane. He doesn't let up his attacks for a second. The big difference could be that Fat Buu at least gave him a sporting chance (not literally, but I mean, he never seemed to be fighting seriously).

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

When does he say that? Technically he just says that the new Buu has a body more suited to battle, and is pure rage now. That probably does make him a better fighter, definitely more dangerous, but that could all be more about intent and focus than raw strength. Then again, when talking about ki, intent and focus makes all the difference.

I'm not actually disagreeing with you, just playing devil's advocate.

He says it to the kids on the lookout before Chi-Chi is turned into an egg.

A few other things show Super Boo as being the superior one:

1) Piccolo was perfectly fine with the kids fighting fat man as a Super Saiyan. He was annoyed by them, but he still allowed them to sleep and stuff without forcing them to exert themselves. That tell's me he's comfortable in Gotenks's ability to beat fat man.

2) Once Super Boo arrives on the lookout, Piccolo tells Krillin along the lines of "fusion won't matter at this point", and that they better train in the rosat if they hope to win. He seemed awfully pressed at the notion of Gotenks fighting Super Boo, yet he allowed them to chill with the jolly fat man on earth. That also tells me that whatever they sensed from Super Boo was greater than fat man's power by a wide margin. You also have to remember he has yet to even throw a punch. They were just sensing a relaxed Super Boo.

3) Goku sensed the sudden surge of Boo's power and wondered if it was even him in the first place. Not only does that tell you his Chi totally changed, but that it also went up by a lot. There's really no evidence that fat man could be sensed on the Kaioshin world since everyone's attention seemed to be snatched once Goku transformed. That tell's me that they weren't aware of anything else going on up to that point. They were just focused on Gohan powering-up with his Z-sword training. Since Super Boo's Chi was powerful enough to get the attention of everyone on the Kaioshin planet, I'm sure the power increase had to be considerable. We know Goku couldn't assess the new Boo's combat-ready body, sensing abilities, and other things--so it had to be a power thing.

4) Goku also claimed (And Piccolo even thought he could) he could've beaten fat man with Super Saiyan 3--with no charging Chi for a minute or anything; he just flat-out claims he could, but he didn't for the next generation. He did say the same about Kid Boo, but he needed planning for it--and he even regrets not being able to merge and finish him off. The same Goku claimed Super Boo was stronger, so that's another reason why Super Boo is the superior one in power, along with Kid Boo.

That's how I see it, basically.

[Bussani]

Fair enough reasons. Thanks for pointing out Piccolo's line from before Chichi got chocolated. That's the best evidence, I think, as it's the only time someone outright says he's more powerful, and not just more dangerous.