Who's ultimately to blame for Cell's completion?

mystic trunks · Post by **mystic trunks** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:42 pm

Opinions?

JamieDBZFan1995 · Post by **JamieDBZFan1995** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:46 pm

I thought it was kind of obvious Krillin and Vegeta.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:47 pm

Dr. Gero, for having created him.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:48 pm

I'd say Cell, followed closely by Dr. Gero, but do we really want to get into my attempts at philosophical ramblings?

I wonder, though, if Krillin had deactivated #18 with the remote, would she have just gone into a coma? Self-destructed? If the former, would Cell have been able to absorb her?
(Ah, it can't be the latter, otherwise Krillin wouldn't have gotten so close to do it.)
Or would Krillin have had to have destroyed her while she was shut down? And would sixteen have resisted?

*sigh*. If I can't pick Cell or Gero, have to go with Vegeta.

mystic trunks · Post by **mystic trunks** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:49 pm

How about Trunks and 17, 18, for not trying to escape.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:51 pm

16. He should have had 18 leave him behind. He clearly knew the threat Cell posed and he should have just forced 18 to fly off without him. She would have gotten a lot farther and probably would have escaped. Then you have Krillin who just should have deactivated 18. I'll cut him some slack cause I know how it feels to like a woman. Finally you have Vegeta who pretty much fell into Cell's trap. Or in other words he was a fool.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:54 pm

There really isn't anyone we could "blame". Ultimately, I'd say it was the Taiyouken that gave Cell the opening he needed.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:05 pm

Vegeta could have, would have, and should have killed form 2 cell, but he deliberately allowed Cell to go perfect form.

Outside of Doctor Gero who designed the process, Vegeta holds the most blame for this event.

chibi_goten · Post by **chibi_goten** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:15 pm

mystic trunks wrote:Opinions?

Well what's your opinion, you've obviously thought about it.

I wouldn't blame Gero at all, fair enough he made Cell and he had planned for him to come into his ''perfect form'' but you can't blame him for Cell achieveing it, and from Gero's side, why would he blame anyone for him getting what he wanted. Although you can blame Gero for creating Cell, he didn't actually help him become perfect (besides programming Cell's determination and providing the androids).

You can't really blame Kurin either, he'd have to end a life to stop Cell becoming perfect, it wasn't his responsibility to do that, and he couldn't. So you can't blame Kurin.

Vegeta let Cell absorb 18 and didn't beat Cell when he had the chance, so theoretically you could put the blame onto him for letting him become perfect, though it wasn't really his responsibility to stop Cell from absorbing her, and he wanted Cell to do so.

I wouldn't say you could blame anyone really, due to circumstances people had an opportunity to stop Cell becoming perfect, though for some reason or another did not.. you can't really ''pitch the blame'', it was just something that happened.

Eddie · Post by **Eddie** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:19 pm

Who's to blame? Everyone but Bulma! They could have stopped Gero after Trunks arrived, like Bulma suggested. They chose to fight. No androids means no Perfect Cell. Ah, Dragon Ball. A series where being a dumbass isn't just common, it's the norm.

mystic trunks · Post by **mystic trunks** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:24 pm

Eddie wrote:Who's to blame? Everyone but Bulma! They could have stopped Gero after Trunks arrived, like Bulma suggested. They chose to fight. No androids means no Perfect Cell. Ah, Dragon Ball. A series where being a dumbass isn't just common, it's the norm.

Bulma built the time machine that was stolen by Cell to get to the future so he could become perfect...

B · Post by B » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:28 pm

Why didn't Trunks just go back in time to Gero's lab after he found it in the main timeline with everyone else and get rid of it?

I mean, yeah, the timeline that spawns the Buu saga would've ended up pretty much the same as Trunks's, but at least the new one he creates by going back to Gero's lab is safe.

If you don't want to fault Trunks for that, or there's something I've forgotten where that's not possible(sans "then there's no story") then Vegeta gets the blame.

ssjcj · Post by **ssjcj** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:38 pm

The only point at which Cell could have been defeated is while he is fighting Vegeta and, of course, Vegeta had to let him transform and absorb #18. Aside from any philosophical stand points, I think Vegeta is the most to blame. I think it is without a doubt the most idiotic move in the entire series.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:51 pm

I always assumed that Cell could absorb #17 and #18 whether they were deactivated or not. He only feared them being deactivated because it would make it easy to destroy them, after which if course he wouldn't be able to absorb them.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:00 pm

Trunks could have stopped Cell after blasting Vegeta but he didn't. Vegeta didn't restrain #18 or any of that, so he didn't really help Cell, he just let him go.

coola · Post by **coola** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:39 pm

I would go with Gohan,if he defeat Cell,when he we "just" a Perfect Cell,he wouldn`t become Super Perfect Cell, absolutely complete form

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:16 pm

B wrote:Why didn't Trunks just go back in time to Gero's lab after he found it in the main timeline with everyone else and get rid of it?

He explained that. It wouldn't solve anything in any currently existing timeline, just create some alternates of everyone who wouldn't have to deal with any Cells. It's better to resolve the current situation instead of just saying "Okay, you guys are doomed, but I'm going to make some clones of you who will live on", eh?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:19 pm

Vegeta and Krillin in equal amounts. It wouldn't matter what Vegeta did if Krillin had just pushed the damn button instead of popping a boner over a robot.

VenomSymbiote · Post by **VenomSymbiote** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:08 am

Vegeta and Krillin, although I think Vegeta was probably more at fault here.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:23 am

Rocketman wrote:Vegeta and Krillin in equal amounts. It wouldn't matter what Vegeta did if Krillin had just pushed the damn button instead of popping a boner over a robot.

Again, I'm not so sure Cell couldn't absorb them even if they were deactivated.

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Who's ultimately to blame for Cell's completion?

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