Has Chi Chi Become Impure?

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:29 pm

I'm really very curious about this question. Chi Chi rode Kinto-Un several times during Dragon Ball, but what about during Dragon Ball Z? Chi Chi stated once in DB that her heart is as clean as flushed toliet. Ever since she had turned into super-mama in Z, do you think she is still able to ride Kinto-Un or has she become impure? Normally I'd think she won't be able to because she's grouchy and she always yell at Goku and Gohan.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:35 pm

Kinto'un breaks its own rules all the time. I always thought after Goku vowed vengeance on Tambourine for killing Kuririn that his heart was impure, since he literally wanted to kill the guy. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it.

Ununbium · Post by **Ununbium** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:35 pm

She hasn't done anything that would make me say so.
There is nothing wrong with being protective of your children.

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:37 pm

I always thought it was a bit silly she could ever ride it, to be honest. Being stupid and/or naive doesn't really equate to 'pure of heart' to me.

But, I guess it's possible for her to still be able to ride it. Negative emotions or actions don't really mean much. Goku has had his moments of rage, anger and downright willingness to kill and he could still ride Kintoun with no problems.

Bulma couldn't ride it, presumably due to her selfishness at the time. Kame Sennin couldn't ride it because he's a pervert. Kuririn couldn't ride it because he was greedy and selfish.

Chichi yells a lot, but it's for a good cause, I guess. So I'm not sure if her being a grouchy mama is enough to revoke her cloud driving privileges.

Really, I think a lot of characters could ride the damn thing anyway. The criteria is pretty vague.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:38 pm

bkev wrote:Kinto'un breaks its own rules all the time. I always thought after Goku vowed vengeance on Tambourine for killing Kuririn that his heart was impure, since he literally wanted to kill the guy. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it.

Yeah after murdering 8 monsters and then their father in cold blood you'd think Gohan would have a hard time riding that thing too.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:14 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
bkev wrote:Kinto'un breaks its own rules all the time. I always thought after Goku vowed vengeance on Tambourine for killing Kuririn that his heart was impure, since he literally wanted to kill the guy. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it.
Yeah after murdering 8 monsters and then their father in cold blood you'd think Gohan would have a hard time riding that thing too.

That was self-defense, for the most part.

Dark Vegeta-Sama · Post by **Dark Vegeta-Sama** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:43 pm

I don't particularly care either way, but Chi Chi is one hell of a bitch in DBZ.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:39 am

Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:I don't particularly care either way, but Chi Chi is one hell of a bitch in DBZ.

Haha!

Why hasn't Rocketman been to this thread yet?

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:17 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:I don't particularly care either way, but Chi Chi is one hell of a bitch in DBZ.
Haha!

Why hasn't Rocketman been to this thread yet?

I made him into a pie.

Sorry...
(Izza good pie, though!

)

I don't think ChiChi's attitude toward her family is an impurity; if anything, the "righteous" rage and bloodlust _should_ be, but... apparently not. O.O
I guess the cloud believes in "justice".

Meanwhile, the people we see that can't ride it... ur... aren't ignorant of what prevents them...

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:18 am

Chichi doesn't yell anywhere near as much in the manga. Anime always turn the bitch-o-meter up on their female characters for some reason.

Take the time Goku asks her if he can take Gohan to train him when they're going to fight Cell, for example. Chichi says that she would normally try to stop him, but knows that it won't do any good, then smiles and wishes them luck. "Make him as strong as you can!" she said.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:19 am

caejones wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:I don't particularly care either way, but Chi Chi is one hell of a bitch in DBZ.
Haha!

Why hasn't Rocketman been to this thread yet?
I made him into a pie. Sorry...
(Izza good pie, though! )

Moon pie?

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:31 pm

I believe that Chi-Chi would still be able to ride Kinto'un in Z. What's impure about trying to bring up your son as a well-mannered, educated boy rather than a dumb, battle-obssessed idiot like Goku was? The only thing that could possibly corrupt her purity was her rage, which, might I add, was brought on by a crap husband who didn't give two shits about his son's education.

Teclo · Post by **Teclo** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:00 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:Yeah after murdering 8 monsters and then their father in cold blood you'd think Gohan would have a hard time riding that thing too.

"In cold blood" is when it's done in an emotionless, matter-of-fact sort of way. Like if you just went to buy some cigarettes and then, for no apparent reason, stabbed the clerk - who you'd never even met before - to death. Killing while under the influence of a powerful emotion is the very opposite to this and can actually get to an "insane" sentence rather than Innocent or Guilty, probably by way of the irresistable impulse concept.

The idea with this, in my opinion, is that Goku only killed them because (a) they killed his friend and (b) they were a threat to innocent people. There's nothing that a good character - like, say, Krillin or Tien - could do to make Goku kill them. He didn't even kill Piccolo and instead gave him a senzu.

I think a lot of the good characters that wouldn't be able to ride on kinto'un are disallowed more for comical reasons. Krillin, Yamcha, Bulma etc are all very decent people who will do anything for each other - however, they may me greedy, like panties, be selfish in a silly way etc. The whole thing is very subjective anyway; in some cultures/beliefs Goku's love of fighting isn't a negative thing and instead would tie into martial arts as a pure thing. In other cultures/beliefs, a will to violence is bad whatever the reasons or styles.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:03 am

Teclo wrote:The idea with this, in my opinion, is that Goku only killed them because (a) they killed his friend and (b) they were a threat to innocent people. There's nothing that a good character - like, say, Krillin or Tenshinhan - could do to make Goku kill them. He didn't even kill Piccolo and instead gave him a senzu.

So, basically, killing bad guys is OK by Kinto'un's rules.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:53 pm

bkev wrote:Kinto'un breaks its own rules all the time. I always thought after Goku vowed vengeance on Tambourine for killing Kuririn that his heart was impure, since he literally wanted to kill the guy. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it.

Tambourine was a demon, I think it's ok to kill a member of the Mazoku at least.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:04 am

The Time Traveller wrote:
bkev wrote:Kinto'un breaks its own rules all the time. I always thought after Goku vowed vengeance on Tambourine for killing Kuririn that his heart was impure, since he literally wanted to kill the guy. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it.
Tambourine was a demon, I think it's ok to kill a member of the Mazoku at least.

Well, shortly after Goku chased after Tamberine in a murderous fury, Kento'un got Tamberine'd... I dunno... that seems relevant...

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:42 am

I figure the whole "pure-of-heart" thing has mostly to do with intentions and overall personality. Sure, Cih-Chi's a grouch, but she's just looking after her children. Sure, Goku vowed vengeance for Kuririn's death, but he was righting a wrong and overall he's a good-natured guy.

I did always have these funny images in my head of someone riding on Kinto'un and having a perverted moment that caused him to fall through the cloud, to which he would yell to himself, "Think about baseball," repeatedly. Once his head cleared of perverted thoughts, Kinto'un would save the poor falling guy at the last second.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:09 am

I had problems with Chi-Chi riding it at the end of DB, after how bitchy she was during that whole story up to the ringside wedding.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:22 am

Well... Muten Roshi once stated that only persdon with pure thought can ride it. Goku still rode it when he had a murderous thought on Tambourine. Just gotta love how Toriyama is always forgetting things.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:48 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Well... Muten Roshi once stated that only persdon with pure thought can ride it. Goku still rode it when he had a murderous thought on Tambourine. Just gotta love how Toriyama is always forgetting things.

Kamesennin said you need a pure heart, not pure thoughts. According to Mr Popo, there's a difference.

"Make your heart still."
"Like this?"
"That's just stilling your mind. The heart is different."
"I don't get it..."

Kanzenshuu

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