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Multiple intellectual questions

Post by Ultimate DBZ » Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:10 am

Mike told me to stop making so many topics, so I'm just putting all my questions into 1 topic. Who would win in a fight, Chi-Chi or Videl? Also, who would win in this fight, Chi-Chi or Mr. Satan? Last, who would win in a fight, Baby Vegeta or SSJ2 Vegetto and SSJ3 Gotenks combined. Under what instances have teamwork ever been succesfull, and give me two people in which 1 would be weaker than the other but still win do to skills and technique (not including attacks that can increase battle power to exceed opponent).

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Post by Puto » Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:15 am

Videl would win against Chichi, and Chichi would win against Mr. Satan. Not sure about the rest.

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Post by rereboy » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:25 am

Chichi in her prime might win against Videl.

Vegetto alone in any SSJ form would rape Baby Vegeta.

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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by B » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:23 am

Ultimate DBZ wrote:Under what instances have teamwork ever been succesfull,
Well THAT'S never happened. At least, not in your standard "fight." There's stuff like Goku, Kuririn, and Bulma getting through the Pirate Base together, or Vegeta distracting Cell for Gohan to get the Kamehameha edge, but the former wasn't a fight, and the latter would take a leap of logic to call it "teamwork."

... I'm a dumbass, Piccolo and Goku VS Raditz. BUT I'M SURE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.
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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by Puto » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:47 am

B wrote: ... I'm a dumbass, Piccolo and Goku VS Raditz. BUT I'M SURE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.
And even there, one of them died.

Though, if you count the movies, you might want to consider the double (possibly triple) Kamehameha in the second Broli movie. And Vegeta, Kuririn and Gohan vs Gurd. And Yamucha, Tenshinhan and Chaozu ganging up on the Ginyû Special Corps. And 17 and 18 vs Gohan in Trunks' timeline.

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Post by rereboy » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:47 am

Well, against Kid Buu, Vegeta, Goku and Fat buu didn`t fight at once but they all worked together and fought to bring down kid buu and buy some time.

And Piccolo, Gohan and krillin distracted Freeza so that Goku could complete his genki dama. And before Piccolo arrived to fight Freeza, Vegeta, Gohan and Krillin worked together.

Oh, and Krillin and Gohan VS Gurd.

And maybe Gohan, Krillin and Yayrobe VS Vegeta.

There`s at least some teamwork in these instants.

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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by Rocketman » Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:56 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote:Mike told me to stop making so many topics, so I'm just putting all my questions into 1 topic. Who would win in a fight, Chi-Chi or Videl? Also, who would win in this fight, Chi-Chi or Mr. Satan?
ChiChi is as powerful as Master Roshi. She'd curbstomp Videl and Hercule.
Last, who would win in a fight, Baby Vegeta or SSJ2 Vegetto and SSJ3 Gotenks combined.
Base Vegetto could crush Baby-Vegeta.

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Post by Khalid Shahin » Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:19 pm

Earth vs. Vegeta

Best instance of teamwork.

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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by Godo » Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:34 pm

Rocketman wrote:
ChiChi is as powerful as Master Roshi. She'd curbstomp Videl and Mr. Satan.
Apart from the gag panels, where have you got this information?

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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by Rocketman » Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:49 pm

Godo wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
ChiChi is as powerful as Master Roshi. She'd curbstomp Videl and Mr. Satan.
Apart from the gag panels, where have you got this information?
Kanzentai's battle power guide.

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Post by Dr. Casey » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:07 pm

Roshi is 139 during the 22nd Budokai, but 180 during the fight against Daimao? How exactly does he improve so much considering that almost no time passes and he undergoes no sort of training?

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Post by Godo » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:19 pm

I guess that he goes into "battle mode" like Goku did against Tenshinhan, which he didn't in the tournament because of not expecting to win.

And thanks Rocketman. Sweet.

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Post by D » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:26 pm

You can see that he bulks up his muscles when getting serious in the fight with Tien. That's when his powerlevel increases from 139 to 180.

I'd say that when doing his Full-Power Kamehameha, his powerlevel would be way over 200.

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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by Savage68 » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:12 am

Not sure how people can dismiss Baby Vegeta so quickly when he was far, far superior to someone who's far, far superior to Kid Buu.

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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by Bussani » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:31 am

Savage68 wrote:Not sure how people can dismiss Baby Vegeta so quickly when he was far, far superior to someone who's far, far superior to Kid Buu.
Kid Buu was nowhere near the strongest form of Buu. Vegetto played with the strongest form of Buu like he was nothing.
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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by Savage68 » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:39 am

The same way Goku would've done to Kid and the same way base Baby Vegeta did to SSj 3 GT Goku?

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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by Bussani » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:15 am

Savage68 wrote:The same way Goku would've done to Kid and the same way base Baby Vegeta did to SSj 3 GT Goku?
Is there such a thing as 'base Baby Vegeta'? Hadn't he already transformed once or twice by the time Goku was using SSJ3? Plus, adult SSJ3 Goku couldn't even beat Kid Buu when he fought him.

My point is, it's very questionable that any of them are close to Vegetto, who made mincemeat out of a Buu who'd absorbed a Gohan stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, plus Piccolo, Goten and Trunks.
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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by Savage68 » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:23 am

Piccolo, base Goten and base Trunks mean nothing to someone at least FPSSj-tier. Piccolo's intelligence may count for something, but that's about it.

If SSj 3 Goku(in DBZ) = Kid Buu, and Rilldo is stronger than him. Base GT Goku was stronger than him. And from there, Baby Vegeta(base, or whatever you'd prefer to call him) totally manhandled SSj 3 GT Goku, the same way Vegetto manhandled Buu. Even more easily, actually. And that's before Baby acquires two substantial transformations.

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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:43 am

Bussani wrote:
Savage68 wrote:The same way Goku would've done to Kid and the same way base Baby Vegeta did to SSj 3 GT Goku?
Is there such a thing as 'base Baby Vegeta'? Hadn't he already transformed once or twice by the time Goku was using SSJ3? Plus, adult SSJ3 Goku couldn't even beat Kid Buu when he fought him.

My point is, it's very questionable that any of them are close to Vegetto, who made mincemeat out of a Buu who'd absorbed a Gohan stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, plus Piccolo, Goten and Trunks.
No, the 'first form' Baby-Vegeta is the one that Super Saiyan 3 Gokû fights. Baby-Vegeta quickly changes through his second and third forms, however.
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Re: Multiple intellectual questions

Post by Bussani » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:56 am

Savage68 wrote:Piccolo, base Goten and base Trunks mean nothing to someone at least FPSSj-tier. Piccolo's intelligence may count for something, but that's about it.
They're added together, on top of Buu and 'Ultimate' Gohan. That makes a big difference.
If SSj 3 Goku(in DBZ) = Kid Buu, and Rilldo is stronger than him. Base GT Goku was stronger than him. And from there, Baby Vegeta(base, or whatever you'd prefer to call him) totally manhandled SSj 3 GT Goku, the same way Vegetto manhandled Buu. Even more easily, actually. And that's before Baby acquires two substantial transformations.
None of that serves as a comparison between Vegetto and Baby, since all we know is that Vegetto was far above the strongest Buu. We don't know precisely how far that puts him above Kid Buu. Besides that, we don't know for sure that Goku was comparing Rildo to Kid Buu and not Mr. Buu.

To top it all off, strength levels are completely inconsistent in GT and make no sense. Base Kid Goku is stronger than SSJ3 Adult Goku? Even for Dragon Ball, that's a stretch.
JulieYBM wrote:No, the 'first form' Baby-Vegeta is the one that Super Saiyan 3 Gokû fights. Baby-Vegeta quickly changes through his second and third forms, however.
Was that before he got his tail back? GT never sticks in my mind, but I seem to remember the more transformed version of Baby fighting SSJ3 Goku on Planet Plant.
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