How Kai should have been done.

[backthen]

And a youtube video showing new digital animation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1D_J71OZwY

(If this belongs in another section, I'm sorry, just wanted to share this.)

[ShadowDude112]

We already had something posted about this.

[JulieYBM]

Welcome to the world of Toei.


Not that GogetaJr.'s fan art is any better than some of the worst looking Kai redrawings.

[Kaboom]

Overcompensating with the blood a bit, are we?

[B]

At least it happened fast enough for me to forget there was no blood.

[Chuquita]

It's really nice artwork, and I am kinda sad that Kai didn't turn out to be fully re-animated, but I'm still hopeful that we may eventually get another new Jump Special some day.

[penguintruth]

That would have been great, but I still would have missed Kikuchi's score and the Saiyan arc filler.

[Taku128]

Why is it in the style everything DBZ related is drawn nowadays instead of the style Toriyama used for that portion of the comic? If DBZ were completely reanimated I'd want it to match whatever style Toriyama used for the corresponding chapter from the comic instead of just using his end of DBZ style for the whole thing.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Why is it in the style everything DBZ related is drawn nowadays instead of the style Toriyama used for that portion of the comic? If DBZ were completely reanimated I'd want it to match whatever style Toriyama used for the corresponding chapter from the comic instead of just using his end of DBZ style for the whole thing.

Well, in all honestly, even Toriyama draws everything now with the new style. Since the anime was originally emulating his style at the time in the manga, it created some interesting inconsistencies as the series progressed. I'd rather have a consistent style if they were to reanimate it from scratch.

Overcompensating with the blood a bit, are we?

I didn't find it to be that over-the-top. It's basically the same as the original anime shot (just sort of combined into one still).

[Tweaker]

Wow, I'm really liking how that looks! Very much in the style of the animation from the revamped intro sequence.

[DemonRin]

Wow that's really... dumb...

And after seeing how much Blood came out of Kuririn when he was stabbed by Freeza, and seeing the ammount of Blood in the Impel Down Arc of One Piece, I'm starting to think the thing with the Makankosappou was a consistency thing rather than a censorship thing (It was just handled awkwardly)

I mean, I might be wrong but isn't this like, the ONLY Ki-based attack that bleeds like this? For the rest of the series, when a Ki attack hits, it does the lightsaber thing where it burns the wound and there's no blood...

[TripleRach]

Wow that's really... dumb...

And after seeing how much Blood came out of Kuririn when he was stabbed by Freeza, and seeing the ammount of Blood in the Impel Down Arc of One Piece, I'm starting to think the thing with the Makankosappou was a consistency thing rather than a censorship thing (It was just handled awkwardly)

I mean, I might be wrong but isn't this like, the ONLY Ki-based attack that bleeds like this? For the rest of the series, when a Ki attack hits, it does the lightsaber thing where it burns the wound and there's no blood...

Off the top of my head, Piccolo shoots a mouth blast through Gokuu's shoulder at the 23rd Budoukai, and that leaves a very bloody hole as well.

If you count it, Kuririn's Kienzan also drew blood when it grazed Nappa's cheek, but I don't seem to remember much blood, if any, during future uses of Kienzan.

[DemonRin]

Notice I said "For the Rest of the series". I'm saying at that point, they'd changed their minds about how Ki attacks work. Something that happened in Dragon Ball wouldn't count towards that logic. And when I talk about bleeding, I mean an actual Bucket of blood like you see come out of Son from the Makankosappou in Z (you also don't see NEARLY that much in the manga)
Couldn't it just be like that first light saber cut in Star Wars Episode IV? A bunch of blood came out, but you never see that happen again. Couldn't they just have decided to fix that continuity error here, and stop this one instance? They just did a rather poor job of it?

I mean, all the blood we see later would suggest they don't have a problem with blood, so I'm just trying to come up with a Rational reason why they'd edit out this one gaping bleeding hole, yet you get to see Kuririn's gaping bleeding hole bleed plenty...

[TripleRach]

Notice I said "For the Rest of the series". I'm saying at that point, they'd changed their minds about how Ki attacks work. Something that happened in Dragon Ball wouldn't count towards that logic. And when I talk about bleeding, I mean an actual Bucket of blood like you see come out of Son from the Makankosappou in Z (you also don't see NEARLY that much in the manga)

Well, you also emphasized "only", but I do think it's relevant anyway. Two back-to-back battles with bloody gaping holes caused by Piccolo's ki blasts? Funny coincidence, that. I don't recall seeing much blood before the 23rd Budoukai, but that Gokuu/Piccolo fight was probably the bloodiest in the entire anime. So I think it just means Toriyama was on a bit of a gore kick for that part of the series, which the anime staff took a step further. But then everyone went back to "normal" bloodiness levels after Raditz.

[Taku128]

Why is it in the style everything DBZ related is drawn nowadays instead of the style Toriyama used for that portion of the comic? If DBZ were completely reanimated I'd want it to match whatever style Toriyama used for the corresponding chapter from the comic instead of just using his end of DBZ style for the whole thing.

Well, in all honestly, even Toriyama draws everything now with the new style. Since the anime was originally emulating his style at the time in the manga, it created some interesting inconsistencies as the series progressed. I'd rather have a consistent style if they were to reanimate it from scratch.

Yeah, but Toriyama isn't re-drawing the Saiyan Arc. He's drawing new stuff, so of course it makes sense to use his current style. While I don't have much familiarity with the cartoon, I love the way Toriyama's style evolves throughout the comic. I don't remember any inconsistencies in style there, so I don't see why a reanimated series couldn't do the same thing.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Holy crap! That non-SS Gogeta guy should work for Toei!

[Kunzait_83]

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[Rocketman]

There’s even other (though perhaps less extreme) examples of piercing Ki beams in later parts of the series not having any sort of “cauterizing effect” whatsoever.

The fact that a blast through the chest leaves a neat hole with rigidly defined edges, a smooth interior and minor blood loss is indicative of cauterization.

I mean, look how little blood Freeza loses with half his body cut off. He should've been totally emptied of blood like if you cut the bottom off a milk jug. Not to mention all those organs, bones and muscles now without supports.


And that hole in Vegeta should've blasted out a good chunk of his spine, so I dunno how he's walking.

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, that's certainly more of the lack of realism of Dragon Ball in general than any cauterization rule, I would think. Although, since you bring it up, Freeza certainly does have some entrails hanging out of him in the manga. Tenshinhan's nearly bloodless limb removal in the anime also gushes blood in the manga. So obviously there was some censorship even in the Z era... it's just not always consistent. I suppose the fact of the matter is that wounds in DB do whatever Toriyama needs them to do at any given time. Yeah, you're right, Vegeta's spine should be gone, although the way his wound is drawn it's not like you can actually see a literal hole through is body... just some vague, abstract reddish area. It's the same with Goku and Raditz.

EDIT: Whoops, and in response to the original point of this topic, I think Kai is just fine the way it is if they would have gone back and redrawn everything in the current Toriyama style. I'm not really a fan of the angular stuff at all and think the animation in Dragon Soul looks... well, horrible. If the rest of Kai had looked like that, I would have been really disappointed indeed.

[SSJmole]

I love the artwork posted here TheGogetaJr has done a great job.