Do you think the Kai Dub will use the term Artificial Human?

[gregorthegame]

I was just wondering.. Does anyone think the Kai Dub will use the term "Artificial Human", or "Cyborg" instead of "Androids"?
I mean it's not necessarily a characters name.. and they did change some attack names in the new dub.
I personally think they may change it.. Closer to the manga, Rachel said they do use the term "Cyborg" in the manga... so..
Anyways, it just crossed my mind after watching this weeks episode of Kai.

[Taku128]

I doubt it. They've only changed a few attack names so far, and Artificial Human is a mouthful. Besides, Artificial Human and Android both mean the same thing anyways.

[penguintruth]

Well, "artificial human" is very vague, almost intentionally.

As far as I understand it, an android is a robot that's human-like, whereas a cyborg is part natural human. The Terminator is an android. Robo Cop is a cyborg. Only #16 and #19 are androids by this definition.

They'll probably use "android", though, because it's easier.

[Taku128]

Well, "artificial human" is very vague, almost intentionally.

How is artificial human vague? The name artificial human says it's a human that's artificial, which is what an android is.

[Puto]

If they won't change "Nimbus", "Tri-Beam", "Spirit Bomb" or "Seiyan", then they sure as hell aren't gonna change Android. And I don't particularly care anyway, Artificial Human's a mouthful. Even Viz uses Androids.

[bkev]

Have they trademarked "Android __"? If so, the answer is probably no.

[Amigo Ten]

Just to be clear, the Terminator is a cyborg. Kyle Reese is very clear about that. Cybernetic organism. Robot inside, but it's skin is living flesh. Blood and all.

And Viz uses "android" and "cyborg", depending on the character.

[bkev]

In my old Shonen Jumps, the characters are referred to as androids, with a footnote on the character page stating that they're technically cyborgs.

[penguintruth]

Just to be clear, the Terminator is a cyborg. Kyle Reese is very clear about that. Cybernetic organism. Robot inside, but it's skin is living flesh. Blood and all.

The character can say what he wants, but that's not what a cyborg is. The Terminator is only using the skin and blood as a disguise. They're independant from his working robotic systems, and therefore he is an android. All you're doing is pointing out an example of bad writing.

[gregorthegame]

It's possible they may change it to cyborg tho.. Who knows. just my opinion.

[Cipher]

I hope they continue to use "Android." Sure, it's technically not a catch-all for Gero's creations, but it gets the job done. "Artificial Human" is just needlessly verbose in English.

[KaiserNeko]

I hope they continue to use "Android." Sure, it's technically not a catch-all for Gero's creations, but it gets the job done. "Artificial Human" is just needlessly verbose in English.

Then... how about cyborg?

[Cipher]

Then... how about cyborg?

Seems a lot less inclusive than "Android" though. The only ones "Android" doesn't fit are Dr. Gero, whose body is entirely mechanical anyway, and 17 and 18. Given that their original human nature is something of a reveal in the Buu arc, I don't think it's unfitting.

You get down to the nitty-gritty, 17 and 18 aren't really "artificially created" to begin with. "Android" is the best, most unobtrusive replacement for "Jinzo-Ningen" in my book.

[Amigo Ten]

"Android" is no more or less accurate a way of describing all of them than "artificial human", so there's not even much point in changing it.

[KaiserNeko]

"Android" is no more or less accurate a way of describing all of them than "artificial human", so there's not even much point in changing it.

Then... how about cyborg?

Seems a lot less inclusive than "Android" though. The only ones "Android" doesn't fit are Dr. Gero, whose body is entirely mechanical anyway, and 17 and 18. Given that their original human nature is something of a reveal in the Buu arc, I don't think it's unfitting.

You get down to the nitty-gritty, 17 and 18 aren't really "artificially created" to begin with. "Android" is the best, most unobtrusive replacement for "Jinzo-Ningen" in my book.

17 and 18 aren't robots or synthetic lifeforms modeled to mimic humans. They are, in no way, androids. They're cyborgs. So they should NOT BE CALLED ANDROIDS.

Just call them cyborgs, call 16 an android, and call Cell... uh, I don't really know what to call him. I guess artificial life-form is actually perfect for him.

[Amigo Ten]

They shouldn't be called artificial humans either, but that's what they get called. Funi calling them androids is no different.

[Cipher]

17 and 18 aren't robots or synthetic lifeforms modeled to mimic humans. They are, in no way, androids. They're cyborgs. So they should NOT BE CALLED ANDROIDS.

Just call them cyborgs, call 16 an android, and call Cell... uh, I don't really know what to call him. I guess artificial life-form is actually perfect for him.

But ... they aren't really artificial either. They just incorporate artificial parts.

"Android" doesn't seem particularly more or less accurate than "Artificial Human," and it's a hell of a lot less awkward in English. But it's not something that's going to keep me up at night no matter what terminology they use. It's all just as clear/convoluted as anything else. There's just no easy catch-all term when you're dealing with cyborgs, androids and bug-men all in one group. So I say go with the most easily recognizable one. "Androids."

EDIT - Amigo Ten beat me to it.

[linkdude20002001]

I see no problem having Android No. 16 and Android No. 19 alongside Cyborg No. 17, Cyborg No. 18, and Cyborg No. 20. It's too confusing to fans to just call them all androids. Do you know how many times I've heard people say "How can Android 18 have a kid if she's an android!?"?

[Metalwario64]

"How can Android 18 have a kid if she's an android!?"?

Wasn't that mostly from the dub treating them as purely mechanical creations (even going as far as adding stereotypical robot lines such as "does not compute"), and entirely removing the whole plot-point of them being regular humans, modified by Gero (until a slight mention in the Buu-arc)?

[Taku128]

I see no problem having Android No. 16 and Android No. 19 alongside Cyborg No. 17, Cyborg No. 18, and Cyborg No. 20. It's too confusing to fans to just call them all androids. Do you know how many times I've heard people say "How can Android 18 have a kid if she's an android!?"?

That's their fault for not paying attention when it's explained that they were originally humans before Dr. Gero experimented on them. Having both cyborgs and androids under a unified numbering scheme wouldn't make any sense. There's no term that accurately describes every one of Gero's "creations", they should just stick to the one they've been using for ten years.