Piccolo vs 17

[Macjean]

Who do you guys think would of won if nobody interfered (jumped in)?

[ChaojiShucaiRen]

Been discussed before, but 17 had the advantage due to his everlasting gobstopping ki-esque generator.

[Dayspring]

Who do you guys think would of won if nobody interfered (jumped in)?

Too close to tell. #17 has infinite energy, implying it would get harder and harder for Piccolo to win. However, we see that infinite energy doesn't equate with infinite stamina, as #17 became just as exhausted as Piccolo did. Since #17 doesn't have fighting experience, I can see #17 slipping up and Piccolo taking advantage of that. However, it would completely be a matter of that happening prior to Piccolo becoming too weak to do so.

[JulieYBM]

It could be very interesting. If Toriyama would just remember the Makankô-sappô, it might've helped win the battle in the end (or even a 'Chô Makankô-sappô').

[Son_Gohan]

Who do you guys think would of won if nobody interfered (jumped in)?

Too close to tell. #17 has infinite energy, implying it would get harder and harder for Piccolo to win. However, we see that infinite energy doesn't equate with infinite stamina, as #17 became just as exhausted as Piccolo did.

No I'm pretty sure the infinite energy does equate to stamina. Piccolo was able to predict Vegeta's defeat against #18 for that very reason.

It's doubtful that Piccolo would've conjured anything up to finish #17, since his stronger energy attacks would be more time consuming, and I don't think #17 would've given him the opportunity at that point. Piccolo had his chance early on because #17 clearly underestimated him and he had the element of surprise on his side, but once he started to acknowledge him as a worthy opponent, it would only go downhill from there.

[Dayspring]

Who do you guys think would of won if nobody interfered (jumped in)?

Too close to tell. #17 has infinite energy, implying it would get harder and harder for Piccolo to win. However, we see that infinite energy doesn't equate with infinite stamina, as #17 became just as exhausted as Piccolo did.

No I'm pretty sure the infinite energy does equate to stamina. Piccolo was able to predict Vegeta's defeat against #18 for that very reason.

It's doubtful that Piccolo would've conjured anything up to finish #17, since his stronger energy attacks would be more time consuming, and I don't think #17 would've given him the opportunity at that point. Piccolo had his chance early on because #17 clearly underestimated him and he had the element of surprise on his side, but once he started to acknowledge him as a worthy opponent, it would only go downhill from there.

But like I said, we see #17 doesn't have infinite stamina. It's more likely the ability to use energy (ki attacks, transfer to physical strength, etc) drops as you lose stamina, which would simply not be the case with the androids. In other words, regardless of how tired #17 got, he'd still be able to use strong attacks.

[LeprikanGT]

If Piccolo would have stopped playing around and hit him with a direct ki blast of any sort and damaged the mechanical parts, we could have won; especially if a senzu was involved.

[Son_Gohan]

But like I said, we see #17 doesn't have infinite stamina. It's more likely the ability to use energy (ki attacks, transfer to physical strength, etc) drops as you lose stamina, which would simply not be the case with the androids. In other words, regardless of how tired #17 got, he'd still be able to use strong attacks.

#17 never did get tired. Piccolo may have inflicted damage on him but there were no beads of sweat, panting or anything to indicate he was exhausted like Piccolo was.

[Vegeta Jr]

Not sure about the Manga but I'm sure there was panting from 17 in the anime.

Either way they were pretty much equal but 17 could have just continuously used ki blasts until Piccolo was defeated.

[Rory]

I'd actually say Piccolo. He's a brilliant fighter, and knows how to get himself out of a sticky situation.
What about at attack he laid on Cell shortly after his fight with #17? Do you think #17's Energy Field would've been able to handle an attack like that?

"Even if we're equal in strength, your stamina is running low.. my energy is infinite!" - #17

If Cell didn't step in after this line, I think the fight would've started taking a very different direction, Piccolo plotting and being more evasive, thinking of a way to take #17 out in one strike.

Obviously we'll never know who would've won, but my money would be on Piccolo. You can spam energy attacks all you want, we've seen how well that's worked out for characters in the past.

[Dayspring]

But like I said, we see #17 doesn't have infinite stamina. It's more likely the ability to use energy (ki attacks, transfer to physical strength, etc) drops as you lose stamina, which would simply not be the case with the androids. In other words, regardless of how tired #17 got, he'd still be able to use strong attacks.

#17 never did get tired. Piccolo may have inflicted damage on him but there were no beads of sweat, panting or anything to indicate he was exhausted like Piccolo was.

We see exactly that when they first stop fighting.

[jjgp1112]

Even though Piccolo was probably stronger, he would've eventually gotten exhausted and lost since 17 doesn't have any energy to lose. Although at the same time, 17 did appear worn out, so maybe if Piccolo got smarter with his attacks he would've won.

[Rory]

But like I said, we see #17 doesn't have infinite stamina. It's more likely the ability to use energy (ki attacks, transfer to physical strength, etc) drops as you lose stamina, which would simply not be the case with the androids. In other words, regardless of how tired #17 got, he'd still be able to use strong attacks.

#17 never did get tired. Piccolo may have inflicted damage on him but there were no beads of sweat, panting or anything to indicate he was exhausted like Piccolo was.

We see exactly that when they first stop fighting.

As I just said in my last post.

"Even if we're equal in strength, your stamina is running low.. my energy is infinite!" - #17

#17 was most definitely not feeling any kind of fatigue.

[Godo]

"Vegeta is doing well, he can defeat her!"

"No, he is losing strength, and she is still as strong!"

*Vegeta starts to take more and more blows*

I think that it explains Piccolo's problem.

Although Piccolo's strength was superior to Vegeta's, I think that Piccolo could have won if he made some massive, unavoidable attack.

[Vegeta Jr]

You can spam energy attacks all you want, we've seen how well that's worked out for characters in the past.

From characters who get too exhausted too continue. 17 could stand there forever barraging Piccolo and he wouldn't be able to do anything. The only reason it wouldn't work is if it was on a stronger foe, because it wouldn't even harm them but we know they are basically equal.

[Kid Buu]

I forgot what the name is, but when Imperfect Cell showed up Piccolo hit him with some powerful move. Anyone think that could have done the trick?

[Dayspring]

As I just said in my last post.

"Even if we're equal in strength, your stamina is running low.. my energy is infinite!" - #17

#17 was most definitely not feeling any kind of fatigue.

My bad. For some reason I remembered the panel above Piccolo's panting as #17 panting, too.