A name change for Mr. Satan in the Broadcast?

[Cowboy Dev]

I'm sure they'll use the H-word, but as one member's username is any indication, couldn't something like Mr. Mark or perhaps simply Mark work just as well?
At this point I know it's just wishful thinking and the H-word is pretty ingrained in most dub watchers head's, I guess I just want accuracy over familiarity.
Dub fans deserve better. (Weird, since I'm not really one of 'em.)

[Strongbad456]

Mark may be his name but FUNi won't name him that. The only place that was used was in a databook and I doubt that's enough for FUNi to consider a change from H-word to Mark.

[B]

Unless Hercule is trademarked, they can go with any name they want.

I'd love for it to be Mark, but it's not like FUNi knows about that. But if enough fans were to point them in that direction, maybe?

[MR.Mark]

I'm sure they'll use the H-word, but as one member's username is any indication, couldn't something like Mr. Mark or perhaps simply Mark work just as well?

You know I'm on board for that idea.

[Cowboy Dev]

I'm sure they'll use the H-word, but as one member's username is any indication, couldn't something like Mr. Mark or perhaps simply Mark work just as well?

You know I'm on board for that idea.

I knew you would.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

As much as I hate to be realistic, FUNimation definately is going to use "Hercule" in the Broadcast dub of Dragon Ball Z Kai, as it doesn't contain any demonic connotations. Mr. Satan will be used in the uncut dub, like in Dragon Ball Z. FUNimation doesn't know that an obscure databook in a foreign lanuage released many years after the series ended, states that "Mark" is his real name. Even if somebody told them, they're still not going to randomly change the character's name.

[Innagadadavida]

FUNimation regularly visits all the major fansites and forums. They know what the fan-base is talking about. They have to. It's part of their job to know about their audience. They know about Daizenshuu EX. They know about the Super Exciting Guides. And they know about Mark. Trust me.

I just hope they have enough sense not to do some revisionist nonsense by actually including it.

At any rate. Hercule (FUCKING SHIT I HATE THE WORD FILTER) is trademarked. That's his name in all the video games. It's definitely what they're going to call him. I would have preferred Mr. Savage though.

[B]

I just hope they have enough sense not to do some revisionist nonsense by actually including it.

You mean like the correct attack name replacing "Special Beam Cannon?"

[El Diabeetus]

FUNimation regularly visits all the major fansites and forums. They know what the fan-base is talking about. They have to. It's part of their job to know about their audience. They know about Daizenshuu EX. They know about the Super Exciting Guides. And they know about Mark. Trust me.

I just hope they have enough sense not to do some revisionist nonsense by actually including it.

At any rate. (the H-word) (FUCKING SHIT I HATE THE WORD FILTER) is trademarked. That's his name in all the video games. It's definitely what they're going to call him. I would have preferred Mr. Savage though.

I actually would prefer "Mr. Saturn", it may sound crazy. But, it's the Japanese pronunciation to Mr. Satan's name, sort of. Saturn, if you follow Roman Mythology he's the god of agriculture and abundance, strength, and justice, etc. He brought peace to the land. Which could work with Mr. Satan.

Satan in a way is a God, just not what you think of as God though. If you ask that seems like a suitable compromise. Plus, it still follows the whole religion theme without being to blatantly obvious.

[omegacwa]

I always wondered why they didn't just change the spelling.

I mean, in Japanese, it pronounced SAT TON, not SAY TEN.

So why not just call him Mister Satun, or something like that. Would that be worse then Hercule?

[TonyTheTiger]

I think calling him Mark is dumb. Considering it came completely out of the blue and somebody could read/watch the entire series and not be given any indication that it even exists as a possibility I find it incredibly esoteric and obtuse. I'm certain that in a conversation more people would have trouble figuring out who "Mark" is than they would figuring out who "Hercule" is outside of context clues. I think it's even more obtuse than any potential Tenshinhan/Tien confusion.

I think Mr. Hercule Satan is far easier to swallow than tossing Mark around given it showed up 10 years after it was remotely relevant.

[VegettoEX]

They already have an established name change/censoring for the character, and have established that they will use what is established (follow that? ^_~) for changes in their edited/TV-version dub of the series while it remains (mostly) proper on the uncut dub for home release.

Not sure why anyone would think there would be something else going on. I guess stranger things have happened...

[Cowboy Dev]

They already have an established name change/censoring for the character, and have established that they will use what is established (follow that? ^_~) for changes in their edited/TV-version dub of the series while it remains (mostly) proper on the uncut dub for home release.

Not sure why anyone would think there would be something else going on. I guess stranger things have happened...

I was sure they were, I was just hoping there would be a chance of pushing past familiarity.
Oh well.

[TonyTheTiger]

But to Mark? That's not only unfamiliar but straight up obscure. There's nothing particularly "accurate" about the name Mark if you take the actual work itself as the sole canon that matters.

[B]

But to Mark? That's not only unfamiliar but straight up obscure. There's nothing particularly "accurate" about the name Mark if you take the actual work itself as the sole canon that matters.

What's more accurate than the author coming up with it himself, and it being in a databook published by the same company that publishes the manga the author also wrote?

I get it's unrealistic and it most likely won't happen, but it seems to me people are more focused on "I don't want this" as opposed to, well, facts. "Mr. Savage" is gobbledygook that was on some toys, "Mr. Saturn" is gobbledygook that's never been on anything IIRC, and "Hercule" is gobbledygook FUNimation came up with, no different than "Destructo Disc", "Bardock the Brilliant Scientist", or "Red Ribbon Leader Gero", which were all/are on their way to being fixed mistakes.

[batistabus]

It'll be Hercule for the broadcast version and Mr. Satan for the home release.

Calling him Mark wouldn't make sense. His name isn't Mark Satan; Mr. Satan is his stage name. That would be like having an English subbed version of wrestling calling The Undertaker by his real name.

[Cowboy Dev]

It'll be (the H-word) for the broadcast version and Mr. Satan for the home release.

Calling him Mark wouldn't make sense. His name isn't Mark Satan; Mr. Satan is his stage name. That would be like having an English subbed version of wrestling calling The Undertaker by his real name.

I feel bad for the kids who think this name FUNimation pulled out of their ass is accurate.
Who knows? Maybe they have a cool older brother and sister who can point them in the right direction.

[Blue]

Or angry Japanese fans, either one.

[TonyTheTiger]

But to Mark? That's not only unfamiliar but straight up obscure. There's nothing particularly "accurate" about the name Mark if you take the actual work itself as the sole canon that matters.

What's more accurate than the author coming up with it himself, and it being in a databook published by the same company that publishes the manga the author also wrote?

Because it's effectively not a part of the original creation. It's not like a retcon in an ongoing comic where the change is published within the core material albeit at a later date. In this case it's like the creator coming back after 10 years and saying "Oh, yeah, this is his name" despite the work having already been finished. Considering he didn't put it in the manga itself, as of now it's pretty much just an idea he has that he never followed through with when it mattered. If he does another special and makes a point to bring it up then fine. But right now the fact that you can read/watch everything Dragon Ball and not see a hint of "Mark" it's pretty much meaningless.

Besides, there's nothing even hinting that Mr. Satan is just a stage name, either. Given what everybody else is named in the story, "Mr. Satan" is a perfectly believable real name. What FUNi (and I think the French dub) did was embellish things by giving him a first name. You know, because all logic suggested that "Satan" was his real surname, especially considering he named his daughter Videl. All this Mark stuff came out of the blue. It's pretty irrelevant if what we care about is what was published in the story when it was published. If Toriyama wants to add to the story then he can write more of it.

[B]

It's pretty irrelevant if what we care about is what was published in the story when it was published.

That's just it; there's no other alternative. Mr. Satan, the world's greatest hero, won't fly on a kids' channel, and all our other options are flat-out made-up names from third parties. Even if you don't consider anything not exclusively in the manga as "accurate" or "canon," we are in a scenario where, theoretically, you'd have to pick the next best thing. I guess at this point we'll have to agree to disagree, because I just don't find FUNimation's diddling to be an appropriate second choice. Or even a third choice, really. Playing with the original name(Saturn, Savage, Satton) is better than complete fabrication.