Pure Hearted Goku

[Attitudefan]

So they say at least. If he was so pure "hearted" than why would he beat people up for no reason? He has the lust for fighting so that pureness about him would be gone right? Goku does not have a pure heart and neither do the rest of the characters, except maybe Bora's son. I forgot his name...

[SonEric84]

So they say at least. If he was so pure "hearted" than why would he beat people up for no reason? He has the lust for fighting so that pureness about him would be gone right? Goku does not have a pure heart and neither do the rest of the characters, except maybe Bora's son. I forgot his name...

Upa...and as I recall Goku didn't go around beating up people for "no reason". It was either because A) someone was trying to hurt him or his friends or B) at the tournaments where the whole point is to fight your opponent.

[Attitudefan]

But still, he beat people up. He was a murderer and sometimes crazy. psychotic even, and he even spared Buu to let the kids fight him when he could have saved the world. He was no better than Vegeta to Trunks about Cell.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Super Sonic]

But still, he beat people up. He was a murderer and sometimes crazy. psychotic even, and he even spared Buu to let the kids fight him when he could have saved the world. He was no better than Vegeta to Trunks about Cell.

Goku never murdered anyone. He only killed sentient beings in defense. (Animals don't count as that was hunting for food, not senseless poaching.)

[penguintruth]

He's "pure" in the sense that he's unfettered by complex human troubles like proper socialization. He's a simple, unsophisticated child with no ill will. Even when he's enraged, it's never out of spite, but a pure will to overcome.

Even his enjoyment of battle is pure in a way. It's not bloodthirst. Goku enjoys fighting the way a child enjoys a game.

[Attitudefan]

He's "pure" in the sense that he's unfettered by complex human troubles like proper socialization. He's a simple, unsophisticated child with no ill will. Even when he's enraged, it's never out of spite, but a pure will to overcome.

Even his enjoyment of battle is pure in a way. It's not bloodthirst. Goku enjoys fighting the way a child enjoys a game.

I see, I see. I was thinking that too, it just seems odd that without acting on thinking it makes you pure of heart. I guess I'm thinking too hard on the subject, I don't know but I would love to see people's answers on this.

[Kendamu]

But still, he beat people up. He was a murderer and sometimes crazy. psychotic even, and he even spared Buu to let the kids fight him when he could have saved the world. He was no better than Vegeta to Trunks about Cell.

Can't 'one' just appreciate the show for what it's "worth?" Must one always "contradict" every single thing?

I think the same way. I don't like over-complicating something such as Dragonball.

[Godo]

He's "pure" in the sense that he's unfettered by complex human troubles like proper socialization. He's a simple, unsophisticated child with no ill will. Even when he's enraged, it's never out of spite, but a pure will to overcome.

Even his enjoyment of battle is pure in a way. It's not bloodthirst. Goku enjoys fighting the way a child enjoys a game.

I see, I see. I was thinking that too, it just seems odd that without acting on thinking it makes you pure of heart. I guess I'm thinking too hard on the subject, I don't know but I would love to see people's answers on this.

I guess it goes with children. Just because of that a child does a lot of pranks, it doesn't mean that the child is evil. It's just something fun for the child. The child can still be seen as pure hearted.

[Conan the SSJ]

If I remember right in regards to the manga, after defeating Piccolo Daimao, the only enemies Goku ever personally killed were Yakon and Kid Buu (both whom were pretty much mindless beasts). Am I right in this? If you wanna count Trunks and Cell's alternate futures, then Freeza and King Cold too, but that wasn't "Prime" Goku...

[StarRot]

If I remember correctly, he also killed Adjutant Black.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yeah, like everyone else have said, he's only ever attacked people in self-defence, when someone was trying to hurt his friends or had killed them, or at a tournament, where the objective of it is to defeat your opponent (within the rules, of course).

And some people may consider Goku's hunting of animals for food as wrong, but remember that people hunt animals for food to survive. Goku was living out in the wilderness, with no other source of food. It's not as if he found pleasure in killing animals like people that hunt for sport, or evil people like Vegeta or Freeza.

And the fact that he's so naive and simple that he sometimes doesn't know what he's doing wrong at times also makes him "pure". And his enjoyment of battle is not bloodthirst. It's not about inflicting pain upon people. It's about having a challenge, being able to test his limits and discover newer, stronger opponents. And plus, he was a child back then. Children are incapable of evil, because...well, they're children. They don't know what they're doing is wrong, and they still have yet to learn about the world. Say, a 6-year-old boy is playing with his baby brother and suffocates him to death with a pillow. Would you prosecute that child and send him to prison?

And remember that after God's training, Goku learns the value of life. He spared Piccolo, Vegeta (albeit, for selfish reasons), Nappa and the Ginyu Force's life. In Trunks' timeline, yes, he killed Freeza and King Cold, but remember that before, on Namek, he had spared Freeza's life twice, and still the tyrant attacked him and wanted revenge. Goku would've known that the only way to stop him from hurting Earth and his friends would be to kill him. And he's not going to leave Freeza's father alive either, is he?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

But still, he beat people up. He was a murderer and sometimes crazy. psychotic even, and he even spared Buu to let the kids fight him when he could have saved the world. He was no better than Vegeta to Trunks about Cell.

Can't 'one' just appreciate the show for what it's "worth?" Must one always "contradict" every single thing?

So what? We can't point out possible contradictions in the show?

[Savage68]

Goku's capable of riding his Kinto'Un while extremely pissed-off, wanting to put the hurt on whoever it was that killed Krillin. "Pure-heartedness" isn't as black-and-white as some are making it out to be, I'd say...

[Dr. Casey]

Goku beats people up for no reason?

[Bardo117]

He had sex, he's not pure anymore...

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

He had sex, he's not pure anymore...

I can never understand this type of blatant ignorance. Having sex is absolutely no different than the example of hunting for food vs. hunting for sport. We can only confirm Gokou had sex twice ever (and I'd be shocked if they did do it more than those two times; it'd certainly explain Chi-Chi's general attitude), and both were to procreate children. I've always liked the theory that Gokou consciously conceived Goten because he knew he'd end up dying in the battle with Cell, and wanted to leave a little piece of him behind for Chi-Chi.

Sex is a natural part of existence. Gokou had sex in what is generally considered the most 'pure' way by most religions - he was married, and it procreated a child. It's not as though he got a truckload full of condoms and went around having freaky promiscuous sex with dozens of women. A married man had sex with his wife and they had a child, and you somehow think that makes him impure? I can't understand the ignorant attitudes of people who think like this, and it's really sad that sex is viewed as something evil by people in this world.

Edit: 500 posts!! I never thought I'd see the day...

[penguintruth]

Chi-Chi probably had to trick him into sex. Or else she milked him as he slept.

In fact, Yamucha now thinks it's a remedy for heart disease.

[Savage68]

He had sex, he's not pure anymore...

Dragon Ball characters don't have sex. Your point is moot.

[Ahiru77]

He had sex, he's not pure anymore...

According to anime nowadays (or ever), ^this is the only standard by which you judge one's purity.