Most Ridiculous Plot Boost!

[dbgtFO]

What do you find to be the most ridiculous Plot Boost in the story? And why? It can be any boost like a boost in speed, a boost in strength a boost in "non power" abilities(like Goku being able to read Krillin's mind, without giving an explanation for how!).

I'll start out!

The most ridiculous one in my opinion would be Goku getting faster(and perhaps also stronger?) than Tao Pai Pai in 3 days!
Now many might not instantly realize why I find that so ridiculous, but if we take a deeper look into what Goku was capable of doing before training with Karin and compare it to Tao Pai Pai's feats, you'll see, what I mean...

As we are shown at the 21st TB, Goku and Jackie Chun are fighting equally, so it's not far fetched to conclude that they are also equally fast. Although Goku doesn't have any stated facts about his speed at the 21st TB, Jackie Chun does, since he's Kamesennin in disguise, who previously showed them his speed.

Chapter: 28, P13.2-3
Context: after Kame-sennin runs 100 meters
Kame-sennin: “How many seconds?”
Goku: “So…so fast!”
Kuririn: “Fi…fi-fi…5.6…seconds…”
Kame-sennin: “5.6 seconds, huh? Well well, is that so?...This is what it means to overcome the human. You guys are young, so depending on your training, you’ll even be able to pass 5 seconds.”

If Goku and Krillin did in fact run 100m. in less than 5 seconds is never shown, so we'll use Kamesennin's 5,6 time as the basis for Goku's speed.

Running 100m in 5,6 seconds gives you an average speed of: 360/5,6 = 64,28 Km/h.
So that's the value I'll use for Goku's speed up to his training with Karin.

Tao Pai Pai on the other hand is way faster than that, just how fast is shown right here...

Chapter: 85, P12.7
Context: before Tao Pai Pai takes off for the Karin Holy Land
Tao Pai Pai: “It’s 2,300 kilometers northeast, huh?...Well the, I’ll be back in about 30 minutes.”
Note: So in other words, Tao Pai Pai says he can throw a pillar 2,300 kilometers, jumps on it and ride it all the way there, beats Goku, then come all the way back in about 30 minutes.

This is pretty fucked up, since the entire distance he's covering is 4600 kilometres, which he does in about ½ an hour, which means he can move at a speed of OVER 9000 Km/h(actual value is about 9200.) which is God like speed compared to Goku...!

Now Goku surpassed that, as we saw in their fight:

Chapter: Chapter 92, P.10.1-3
Context: Tao Pai Pai understands he has no chance of winning against Goku.
TAO PAI PAI: (What crazy speed!! I can’t believe it!! It’s absurd that I’m...)
GOKU: “And here comes the next part!!”
TAO PAI PAI: (I’m in trouble!!)

So if we put all that together Goku's speed went from about 64 Km/h(on average mind you) to over 9000 Km/h with 3 days training, which is a boost of over 100 times!!!(9200/64,28 = 143,12!!).
And people usually say, that Goku getting a 33,33 Near Death Boost was impossible, but Kid Goku already broke the rules way back before "Z".

So now that I gave my example, it's your turn. Which boost/change in abilities - you name it, do you find the most ridiculous and why

[Shnuki]

But... Tao didn't fly/run on his own, he just thrown a pillar and was just standing on it... He was just strong enough to make it fly long enough to reach the land of Karin... At least I think so.

Hm... Plot Boost? Maybe the events in Cell Saga involving the Room of Spirit and Time? Saiyan's got ridicoulusly strong in one day! They were quickly defeated by cyborgs and now without any problem they can beat 2nd form Cell?

Oh, and Gohan's training with Old Kaioshin also gave him lots of power and he even didn't have to do much.

[dbgtFO]

But... Tao didn't fly/run on his own, he just thrown a pillar and was just standing on it... He was just strong enough to make it fly long enough to reach the land of Karin... At least I think so.

Tao threw the pillar and then jumped onto it, proving that he was faster than the pillar.

Oh, and Gohan's training with Old Kaioshin also gave him lots of power and he even didn't have to do much.

Who knew that sitting on your ass, while some random old man holds his arms in front of you could be so effective?!!

[Senzu_Bean]

All those that happened in Namek because the characters had their penis injured, specially Goku which was all hyped-up due his training and then he barely did anything useful.

[PuppetDoctor]

When Goku somehow got some huge power boost from his battle on Earth to Namek in a mere five days of training on his space ship.

[TheGreatness25]

When Goku somehow got some huge power boost from his battle on Earth to Namek in a mere five days of training on his space ship.

I think that could be attributed to nearly dying (same as Vegeta got a boost) on Earth, as well as multiple times in his ship while training. Plus he was digging deep and becoming a Super Saiyan I guess.


I think any Earthlings who reached over 1,000 battle power by the time the Saiyans came is the most ridiculous boost. Simply because of these facts:

Goku was a bit over 300 when Raditz came right? Well Goku was the strongest guy. Goku trained with Roshi, trained with Karin, trained with Kami and Popo, drank from the Super Sacred Water, and on top of that, he was a Saiyan so naturally he was stronger than anyone.

Now only Yamucha and Kuririn trained with Roshi.

Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Yamucha, Kuririn, and Yajirobe trained with Kami...

But they trained with Kami for a shorter time than Goku did and none of them had the training with Karin (for whatever that's worth, it did help Goku beat Tao Pai Pai), and nobody drank from the Super Sacred Water. Plus, none of them were Saiyans who could grow strong quickly.

So if all this time they were merely playing catch-up to Goku, how is it possible that in one year, they surpassed his battle power against Raditz? Goku worked his entire life to get to that point and not only were the rest of them catching up, but they accumulated more than triple his power (against Raditz) within a year.

[Senzu_Bean]

... he was a Saiyan so naturally he was stronger than anyone.

Saiyans are only stronger than anyone because they live in a 10x gravity planet. And Goku was almost nearly 1000 when he fought Raditz.

[Fox666]

Hm... Plot Boost? Maybe the events in Cell Saga involving the Room of Spirit and Time? Saiyan's got ridicoulusly strong in one day! They were quickly defeated by cyborgs and now without any problem they can beat 2nd form Cell?

Yeah, that was sort of annoying

[the_abberration]

Goku becoming stronger after drinking a glass of water. Convenient throwaway plot device that would have some legitimacy to it, if it was used later in DBZ for other characters. The suspense value alone on something that either makes you more powerful or kills you (What doesn't kill you makes you stronger indeed), would have made some good episodes later in the series.

[jjgp1112]

Goku going from 180,000 to over 1 million.

[Fox666]

Goku going from 180,000 to over 1 million.

90,000 to 3 million.

But it's not different from Vegeta going from less than 90,000 to fight equally with Freeza who had 530,000.

[dbgtFO]

Goku going from 180,000 to over 1 million.

90,000 to 3 million.

But it's not different from Vegeta going from less than 90,000 to fight equally with Freeza who had 530,000.

Vegeta actually went from 30.000 to close to 530.000. He didn't get more than one Near Death Power Up, he just hadn't brought all of it out, when he fought Jheese, either because of the nap thing or because he didn't deem it necessary(which he would be right about!).

[Fox666]

But didn't he eat a senzu, meaning he don't need to sleep anymore?

[the_abberration]

Senzu for the most part, makes you feel like you had a filling meal. If anything it would make you sleepy.

[dbgtFO]

But didn't he eat a senzu, meaning he don't need to sleep anymore?

He did tell Gohan that he needed to sleep, IIRC, so it would seem that the senzu didn't make him less tired or something...
Here is what he stated about the senzu's effects:

Chapter: 287 (DBZ 93), P8.2
Vegeta: “At any rate, Kakarot uses some strange medicine…To think that it heals injuries and even completely restores stamina…”

I just think that whatever he did, he only had one Near Death Boost, which going by official word brought him up to 250.000(a 8,33 boost!).

[Rocketman]

90,000 to 3,000,000, for the ones indisputable.

Piccolo going from 2,000 to 42,000+ in six days or 1,000,000 to 150,000,000+, for fan-supported ones.

[Piccolo Daimao]

The Saiyans' near-death power-ups. A plot device constantly abused to death (pun intended) to boost the Saiyans' strength. And even at times they don't even appear close to death! Gohan getting his neck broken, Vegeta getting a hole blasted through him, I can understand. But Goku gets a normal beating and goes from 90k to 3 million. He didn't get his bones broken by a giant monkey, he didn't get piledriven, he didn't get his neck broken, he didn't have his guts blasted out...and yet he gets the biggest near-death power-up?

That and, even though I understand Goku didn't get many (if any at all) near-death power-ups in pre-Z and it's normally overshadowed by his other power-ups through training (like Karin's training or the Super God Water), it's never even referenced in the series until the Freeza arc. Kuririn says, "That's right! That's how it was whenever Goku survived a tough battle!" Wait a frickin' minute. In the few times Goku may've came close to death, Kuririn was never there and no-one ever commented on such a thing. What an asspull.

[dbgtFO]

The Saiyans' near-death power-ups[...]What an asspull.

If Toriyama didn't have all these stated power levels, then they wouldn't even need the ability to get Near Death Boosts
That's probably a contributing(not the primary one, but still) factor as to why he dropped them.

[Piccolo Daimao]

The Saiyans' near-death power-ups[...]What an asspull.

If Toriyama didn't have all these stated power levels, then they wouldn't even need the ability to get Near Death Boosts
That's probably a contributing(not the primary one, but still) factor as to why he dropped them.

Well, actually, they would. Wasn't the purpose of near-death power-ups for Goku/Vegeta/(to a lesser extent)Gohan to get beaten by an opponent, and then get strong enough to overpower them? I think you might mean that if Toriyama didn't have all those stated battle powers, then the characters wouldn't get as large power boosts (or we wouldn't see them get as large power boosts).

[dbgtFO]

The Saiyans' near-death power-ups[...]What an asspull.

If Toriyama didn't have all these stated power levels, then they wouldn't even need the ability to get Near Death Boosts
That's probably a contributing(not the primary one, but still) factor as to why he dropped them.

Well, actually, they would. Wasn't the purpose of near-death power-ups for Goku/Vegeta/(to a lesser extent)Gohan to get beaten by an opponent, and then get strong enough to overpower them? I think you might mean that if Toriyama didn't have all those stated battle powers, then the characters wouldn't get as large power boosts (or we wouldn't see them get as large power boosts).

I think he actually could have rewritten some of the fights, so that Zarbon isn't actually much stronger, than Vegeta when transformed, he's just more brutal and uses his power in the best way possible, completely taking Vegeta by surprise.
Vegeta in the second round could then just do what he did originally(run away, attack from behind and then spam ki blasts severely weakening Zarbon and he wouldn't have needed to get stronger, since emphasis would be placed on his fighting smarts rather than his increased strength.

I honestly think the purpose was so they could get stronger, faster, so their BPs surpassed previous enemies(Vegeta vs. Zarbon round 2, Vegeta vs. Jheese and Vegeta vs. Final Form Freeza) or when they only had 6 days to train to make gains in(his increases was mostly due to Near Death Boosts like that).
That's why it wasn't mentioned again until Cell became Super.

But you're probably also right about the large boosts thing..