I was watching the end of the Freeza Arc last night...

[Asura]

So, I was watching the end of the Freeza arc, I got up to the episode where Namek blows up, and all hope seems lost for reviving Goku. The one where Vegeta taunts Gohan to fight him. Anyway, what didn't make sense to me is after the fight, Vegeta is seen flying off, happy that Goku and Freeza both died, and he could be the lord of the universe or whatever. Anyway, the episode after this, Vegeta is somehow back again standing against a tree, he proposes they wish Goku to the earth check in station and then wish him back. Vegeta now cares about bringing back Goku back so he can learn just how he became a Super Saiyan. Did Vegeta have a change of heart offscreen or something? Also Gohan is seen in the beginning of the episode too, thanking Vegeta after he proposed the idea to bring back Goku. Gohan looks fine, and doesn't look like he got in a fight at all, not to mention he seems to be pretty nice to Vegeta, thanking him and looking happy whereas before he was pissed at all the things he was saying towards his father. Was the Gohan vs Vegeta fight just a filler moment that doesn't fit or what?

[dbgtFO]

Was the Gohan vs Vegeta fight just a filler moment that doesn't fit or what?

You answered it yourself
I don't think Vegeta was in character, when they have him being happy about Goku not dying by his hand(since in the androids Arc and several movies we see, that he usually confronts the enemy after having saved Goku just so can appear badass, by saying he will be the one killing/defeating Kakarot!).

I don't even know why they made it like that.. did they just want to show how badass Vegeta really is by making him beat up kids or what?

[Savage68]

This has long since been one of the stupidest filler inconsistencies in the series.

[Hoppey]

I always really liked that filler fight between Gohan and Vegeta but it was ridicuously sloppy on Toei's part to create such a obvious inconsistency.

[Zionist]

I don't even know why they made it like that.. did they just want to show how badass Vegeta really is by making him beat up kids or what?

Isn't Child abuse, or at least Gohan abuse what DBZ is about?

I agree that the particular filler moment we're talking about is lame. It's Vegeta beats Gohan, about to kill him, in steps the big bad Namekian. Blah...

Vegeta always saves Goku. Piccolo always saves Gohan....save for that one time in Broly: The Second Coming where Krillin saves Gohan

[Gaffer Tape]

Ugh, I always hated that scene, even before I knew it was filler. Besides how inconsistent it is with the very next episode (there's no way Toei didn't know what was coming), it's just so stupid that Piccolo and everyone else just stands around and lets Vegeta have his way with Gohan. I'm sorry, but with Piccolo there and the other Namekians serving as a backup mob, a much better conclusion, and the only logical one, would end with Vegeta's head torn from his body and shoved on to a stake, paraded around for all to see. Ahhh, that would have been so nice.

[Rocketman]

I'm sorry, but with Piccolo there and the other Namekians serving as a backup mob, a much better conclusion, and the only logical one, would end with Vegeta's head torn from his body and shoved on to a stake, paraded around for all to see. Ahhh, that would have been so nice.

Say what? Vegeta was stronger than all of them put together.

[Gaffer Tape]

I'm certainly not interested in getting into a BP debate, but I certainly think Gohan and Piccolo combined might have had a shot. But still, it would just tickle me pink to see some giant mob of Namekians close in on Vegeta and rip all of his limbs off while he screamed and whined about being the most powerful. And then we'd never hear from him again, and he wouldn't go on to become the most annoying character in the series. Now that's just good entertainment!

[Asura]

I'm sorry, but with Piccolo there and the other Namekians serving as a backup mob, a much better conclusion, and the only logical one, would end with Vegeta's head torn from his body and shoved on to a stake, paraded around for all to see. Ahhh, that would have been so nice.

Say what? Vegeta was stronger than all of them put together.

Hmm, I dunno, I think Piccolo would have been stronger since he was much stronger than Vegeta when fighting Frieza, and I'm not really sure if that "getting stronger from near death" would apply to Vegeta because it wasn't near death, he actually died.

[Rocketman]

Hmm, I dunno, I think Piccolo would have been stronger since he was much stronger than Vegeta when fighting Freeza, and I'm not really sure if that "getting stronger from near death" would apply to Vegeta because it wasn't near death, he actually died.

Vegeta got that powerup from Krillin blasting him, remember. He knocked Gohan out of the way of an attack Piccolo couldn't even see.

[Asura]

Hmm, I dunno, I think Piccolo would have been stronger since he was much stronger than Vegeta when fighting Freeza, and I'm not really sure if that "getting stronger from near death" would apply to Vegeta because it wasn't near death, he actually died.

Vegeta got that powerup from Krillin blasting him, remember. He knocked Gohan out of the way of an attack Piccolo couldn't even see.

True, but i'm still not sure just how strong Vegeta is at that part.

[dbgtFO]

Hmm, I dunno, I think Piccolo would have been stronger since he was much stronger than Vegeta when fighting Freeza, and I'm not really sure if that "getting stronger from near death" would apply to Vegeta because it wasn't near death, he actually died.

Vegeta got that powerup from Krillin blasting him, remember. He knocked Gohan out of the way of an attack Piccolo couldn't even see.

True, but i'm still not sure just how strong Vegeta is at that part.

Vegeta was most certainly stronger than Freeza's second Transformation and was way stronger than Piccolo at that point. (In my power levels Vegeta would be 2.4 mil, which is 100 times greater than when he first arrived there!)

Vegeta wouldn't want to challenge Gohan anyways, because he should know by now, that Gohan has rage boosts and it would therefore be incredibly stupid to piss him off, when he earlier witnessed how big of an increase they gave him.

I don't even know why they made it like that.. did they just want to show how badass Vegeta really is by making him beat up kids or what?

Isn't Child abuse, or at least Gohan abuse what DBZ is about?

I agree that the particular filler moment we're talking about is lame. It's Vegeta beats Gohan, about to kill him, in steps the big bad Namekian. Blah...

Vegeta always saves Goku. Piccolo always saves Gohan....save for that one time in Broly: The Second Coming where Krillin saves Gohan

Well Gohan is known for getting beat up multiple times without being able to fight back or being too weak to do anything, so I guess you're right??

[Piccolo Daimao]

Vegeta wouldn't want to challenge Gohan anyways, because he should know by now, that Gohan has rage boosts and it would therefore be incredibly stupid to piss him off, when he earlier witnessed how big of an increase they gave him.

Remember that Vegeta suffers from Arrogant Villain Mentality. He probably thinks that he's become so strong he can overpower even an enraged Gohan. Vegeta believed that he could defeat Freeza after his Zenkai, implying that he's well above Freeza's third form, who only just deflected an enraged Gohan's Bakurikimaha. He probably believed he could still wipe the floor with Gohan at that level.

[dbgtFO]

Vegeta wouldn't want to challenge Gohan anyways, because he should know by now, that Gohan has rage boosts and it would therefore be incredibly stupid to piss him off, when he earlier witnessed how big of an increase they gave him.

Remember that Vegeta suffers from Arrogant Villain Mentality. He probably thinks that he's become so strong he can overpower even an enraged Gohan. Vegeta believed that he could defeat Freeza after his Zenkai, implying that he's well above Freeza's third form, who only just deflected an enraged Gohan's Bakurikimaha. He probably believed he could still wipe the floor with Gohan at that level.

I know Vegeta suffers from that, but it's not like he was that arrogant in the latter parts of the Freeza Arc. He didn't for example underestimate Freeza(only the power he would receive from transforming) and admitted at several points, that he would die against Freeza(like after blasting Freeza's back, after Second Form Freeza beats up on weighted Piccolo and when he loses his fighting spirit against Final Form Freeza).
And it should be noted, that Vegeta was able to see Final Form Freeza's movements, which Piccolo & Co. couldn't keep up with, so that might have convinced Vegeta, that he could take on Freeza, if that speed Freeza showed was his top speed. Of course Vegeta didn't know that Freeza could raise his speed even further, so he was surprised at that.
From this I conclude that Vegeta wasn't that arrogant in the Freeza Arc, as some people make him out to be.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Vegeta wouldn't want to challenge Gohan anyways, because he should know by now, that Gohan has rage boosts and it would therefore be incredibly stupid to piss him off, when he earlier witnessed how big of an increase they gave him.

Remember that Vegeta suffers from Arrogant Villain Mentality. He probably thinks that he's become so strong he can overpower even an enraged Gohan. Vegeta believed that he could defeat Freeza after his Zenkai, implying that he's well above Freeza's third form, who only just deflected an enraged Gohan's Bakurikimaha. He probably believed he could still wipe the floor with Gohan at that level.

I know Vegeta suffers from that, but it's not like he was that arrogant in the latter parts of the Freeza Arc. He didn't for example underestimate Freeza(only the power he would receive from transforming) and admitted at several points, that he would die against Freeza(like after blasting Freeza's back, after Second Form Freeza beats up on weighted Piccolo and when he loses his fighting spirit against Final Form Freeza).
And it should be noted, that Vegeta was able to see Final Form Freeza's movements, which Piccolo & Co. couldn't keep up with, so that might have convinced Vegeta, that he could take on Freeza, if that speed Freeza showed was his top speed. Of course Vegeta didn't know that Freeza could raise his speed even further, so he was surprised at that.
From this I conclude that Vegeta wasn't that arrogant in the Freeza Arc, as some people make him out to be.

Fair enough. I just don't think it's out-of-character for Vegeta to challenge Gohan.

[the_abberration]

Remember that Vegeta suffers from Arrogant Villain Mentality. He probably thinks that he's become so strong he can overpower even an enraged Gohan.

He wouldn't have to be arrogant, if you think about it. He also knows that the rage power up Gohan gets, peters out and his power drops. Also Vegeta is more battle savvy than Gohan. He could have used those disadvantages against Gohan (if the fight was 1-on-1). I think Vegeta would know enough about an angry fighter being a sloppy fighter.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Remember that Vegeta suffers from Arrogant Villain Mentality. He probably thinks that he's become so strong he can overpower even an enraged Gohan.

He wouldn't have to be arrogant, if you think about it. He also knows that the rage power up Gohan gets, peters out and his power drops. Also Vegeta is more battle savvy than Gohan. He could have used those disadvantages against Gohan (if the fight was 1-on-1). I think Vegeta would know enough about an angry fighter being a sloppy fighter.

Yeah. That's if he takes the risk of facing an enraged Gohan without dying from that temporary burst of power. But he could've thought that.

[Rocketman]

But still, it would just tickle me pink to see some giant mob of Namekians close in on Vegeta and rip all of his limbs off while he screamed and whined about being the most powerful. And then we'd never hear from him again, and he wouldn't go on to become the most annoying character in the series. Now that's just good entertainment!

They couldn't do that to the Vegeta that invaded Earth. :P

And then we wouldn't get Vegetto, so...

[Castor Troy]

Instead of flying off, Vegeta just should have walked away and laid back against the tree again.

But then again, there would be no reason for Gohan to thank Vegeta in the next episode for the "wishing Goku and Kuririn's souls back on earth" suggestion and for Bulma to offer him a place to stay.

[Gaffer Tape]

Geez, this is what happens when you get a bunch of nerds together. I make one little off-the-cuff comment, and there's been a dozen posts analyzing whether or not it would be possible.