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Parts of the story you would change?

Post by MetalMadness » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:51 pm

Personally, I would have Freeza kill Gohan instead of Krillin to enrage Goku into transforming into a Super Saiyan. It just makes a lot more sense to me that his son's death would be his final breaking point. Sure, Krillin is his best friend, but it still doesn't compare to his son.

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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by CODii » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:01 pm

You know, Goku actually seems like a pretty crappy dad to me. Just look at how he reacts to seeing Goten for the first time. It makes sense that he would be more upset about his best friend than his son, as sad as that seems.

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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by Rory » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:02 pm

I'd turn the entire Boo arc into a page which says "THE END".
And Kuririn dying is a pretty deep emotional blow for Gokuu and the audience, as we've seem them develop as best friends... we never really saw any development with Gokuu and Gohan. So we feel in pain, almost.

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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by Puto » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:16 pm

Except that Gokû already went through a moment of anger at Kuririn's death during the Daimaô arc. They could've used someone else this time... but I guess part of why he's that angry is that with it being his second death, Kuririn could presumably never be revived again.
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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by Asura » Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:00 am

The ending with uub, it felt so out of place and not a proper ending

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Post by Chuquita » Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:47 am

I felt the ending was too jarring and rushed; I think the world of 10 years later should've been expanded upon more.

Also, Goku not telling everyone his plan to have Gohan fight Cell. Actually, I feel like a lot of different characters make bad decisions during the Cell arc, but so much pain could've been avoided if Goku were to have let Gohan and Piccolo in on his idea before the Cell Games began (ideally about a week ahead of time so they could work out a strategy).

I also really missed tactical Freeza arc Vegeta; I would've kept him on like that during Cell.

Comedic filler episode near the end of the series encompassing Gohan and Videl's wedding day. Piccolo as the best man, general wackiness caused by Mr. Satan and Buu, throwing Chi-Chi in there somewhere, Goku + catering....it could've been a great ep.
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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by KKZ » Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:50 am

Chuquita wrote:I felt the ending was too jarring and rushed; I think the world of 10 years later should've been expanded upon more.

Also, Goku not telling everyone his plan to have Gohan fight Cell. Actually, I feel like a lot of different characters make bad decisions during the Cell arc, but so much pain could've been avoided if Goku were to have let Gohan and Piccolo in on his idea before the Cell Games began (ideally about a week ahead of time so they could work out a strategy).

I also really missed tactical Freeza arc Vegeta; I would've kept him on like that during Cell.

Comedic filler episode near the end of the series encompassing Gohan and Videl's wedding day. Piccolo as the best man, general wackiness caused by Mr. Satan and Buu, throwing Chi-Chi in there somewhere, Goku + catering....it could've been a great ep.
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Personally I would have ended the series with Gohan defeating Cell, and if not there with Mystic Gohan defeating Super Buu, followed by Gohan and Videl's wedding and the Kanzenban ending.
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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by ricemonkey » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:42 am

CODii wrote:Just look at how he reacts to seeing Goten for the first time.
Goku's relationships with Gohan & Goten are pretty different, though. In spite of later absences, Goku was actually around for Gohan's early formative years, whereas Goten was already a little person by the time Goku met him. Goku seems to have bonded with Gohan pretty well by the time Gohan is introduced into the story. (I actually think that Gohan is probably the family member that Goku has the most genuine affection towards, but I'll save the full theory for another time...)

That being said, Freeza killing Gohan would've had a significant impact. But, what makes Kuririn's death such a strong trigger is that it's his second death, so death (supposedly) means death this time. Thus, I'd say this part of the story is appropriate as is.
Chuquita wrote:I felt the ending was too jarring and rushed; I think the world of 10 years later should've been expanded upon more.
Chuquita wrote:Comedic filler episode near the end of the series encompassing Gohan and Videl's wedding day. Piccolo as the best man, general wackiness caused by Mr. Satan and Buu, throwing Chi-Chi in there somewhere, Goku + catering....it could've been a great ep.
THIS. So much. Hadn't much considered the Gohan/Videl wedding filler comedic potential before, but now that you've brought it up, I can't stop imagining it. I want to see this happen! :D
Chuquita wrote:Also, Goku not telling everyone his plan to have Gohan fight Cell.
Again, this. Namely, Gohan ought to have been told while in the RoSaT. Okay, it doesn't change that Goku grossly misjudged Gohan's character with regard to fighting, but in spite of his lack of confidence and fighting spirit, Gohan seems to have an awfully determined mindset when in training mode. When given a goal and the opportunity to prepare, he'll give it his all. If Goku had told Gohan that he specifically needed to learn to use/control his anger and related hidden power, Gohan almost certainly would have done so. He would've worked toward it just as he worked toward becoming SSJ. Instead, Goku tells him nothing, leaving Gohan utterly confused and freaked out when put on the spot. (Would I actually change this and risk not having Gohan's epic first SSJ2 transformation? Probably not. However, I very much would like to see how Gohan would have acted if given time to wrap his mind around it and prepare.)

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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by Snail » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:03 am

The entire Buu arc needs revision. Akira Toriyama morphed his characters into nothing but a bunch of selfish jerks who often lose their marbles and care nothing more than to massage their pride.

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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by penguintruth » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:13 am

Snail wrote:The entire Buu arc needs revision. Akira Toriyama morphed his characters into nothing but a bunch of selfish jerks who often lose their marbles and care nothing more than to massage their pride.
How is that morphing? Most of them are already like that.
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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by Snail » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:25 am

It's a missed opportunity in terms of developing the roster a little more; do these characters actually retain any common sense or logic? Instead, we're left with a father who seemingly doesn't give two-shits about his family, and runs off whenever he sees fit with a little Indian boy.

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Post by Ahiru77 » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:30 am

CODii wrote:You know, Goku actually seems like a pretty crappy dad to me. Just look at how he reacts to seeing Goten for the first time. It makes sense that he would be more upset about his best friend than his son, as sad as that seems.
So sad, it hurts. It also doesn't help that I'm listening to a sad song right now.
Chuquita wrote:I felt the ending was too jarring and rushed; I think the world of 10 years later should've been expanded upon more.

Comedic filler episode near the end of the series encompassing Gohan and Videl's wedding day. Piccolo as the best man, general wackiness caused by Mr. Satan and Buu, throwing Chi-Chi in there somewhere, Goku + catering....it could've been a great ep.
I'm on for this too. They did it wrong for Goku, so why not do it right for Gohan.

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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by Kingdom Heartless » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:45 am

Also, Goku not telling everyone his plan to have Gohan fight Cell. Actually, I feel like a lot of different characters make bad decisions during the Cell arc, but so much pain could've been avoided if Goku were to have let Gohan and Piccolo in on his idea before the Cell Games began (ideally about a week ahead of time so they could work out a strategy).
In terms of logic that makes sense, but it would lessen the impact story wise. I mean, every other fight it has been "wait for Goku to turn up with his new power-up, and then watch as he beats the enemy. But this throws in the shock of fighting a losing battle, and instead of some last ditch move that saves the day, he actually steps down. I think it's a great change to the series, and would not have been as good if everyone in the story already knew it was coming.
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Post by Michsi » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:16 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:In terms of logic that makes sense, but it would lessen the impact story wise. I mean, every other fight it has been "wait for Goku to turn up with his new power-up, and then watch as he beats the enemy. But this throws in the shock of fighting a losing battle, and instead of some last ditch move that saves the day, he actually steps down. I think it's a great change to the series, and would not have been as good if everyone in the story already knew it was coming.
I thing that enitre scenario was also meant to antagonize Goku somewhat, or atleast show a new not-so-hero-like side of him.

I would've liked for the story to go a little more in depth with character development and introspection. I would've liked to see Goku have feelings a genuine guilt for putting Gohan trough hell, for the ohers to actually actively blame Vegeta for those stunts that made everything worse and for Vegeta to fully feel the consequences of his actions through the people he had come to care about. For instance, him turning majin and when trying to coax Goku into fighting him seriously he ends up hurting Bulma or Trunks accidentally.

But more than anything I would have liked for Piccolo to remain amoung the top 3. It's only fair that those who dedicate themselves fully to the life of a warrior should stay stronger than those who treat fighting as a part time hobby.

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Post by CatouttaHell » Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:32 am

I would've changed it so that Tenshinhan's sacrifice wasn't in vain and so he does kill Nappa with his Kikoho. It always bothered me how no matter what happens, nobody but Goku can even beat the weak, brainless henchman/henchmen of the main villain and everyone has to wait for him to come and do everything for them. That and it really ruined the whole moment when Nappa survived.

For the Boo Arc I'd get rid of the atrociously powerful SSjin 3 and with it the whole pile of time when Goku just sat around and did nothing/pretended he could do nothing because he wanted the (apparently braindead) next generation to save the day so that they could do it without plot induced stupidity ruining everything so Goku could finally decide to save the day. Muten Roshi stepped down so that the next generation could shine, Goku should've done the same.

I'd also give the Earthlings a lot more importance. It just seems like as soon as someone gets replaced in the role of being Goku's rival they are instantly forgotten and thrown aside. All four of the Earthlings are awesome and should've continued to be as important through all of Z as they were in Dragonball, at least. I honestly believe that if they got all of the training opportunities the others got they'd be on par with the strongest of the Saiya-jins at least.
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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by Kingdom Heartless » Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:43 am

I thing that enitre scenario was also meant to antagonize Goku somewhat, or atleast show a new not-so-hero-like side of him.
I'm not so sure about that, but it does lead to that scene I love where Piccolo reams him out and reality sort of dawns on him that Gohan isn't him, and tries to help... it's an incredibly underrated part of the story.
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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by Kaboom » Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:44 am

I'd make minor tweaks to the Majin Boo arc so that it'd make a little more sense internally, even though the story itself remains the same. Would prevent a lot of headaches that way.
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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by beast mode » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:26 am

It'd be nice if the Dragon Balls/whatever Toriyama feels like didn't always bring characters back to life.
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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by Ringworm128 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:08 am

I think Goku should have been killed by the Artifial Humans in Trunks timeline. It would have made the Artifial Humans seem more fearsome. It would also be very Interesting to see every ones reaction when they find Goku dead after wondering why he powered up and then suddenly stopped.

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Re: Parts of the story you would change?

Post by Cipher » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:28 am

Snail wrote:The entire Buu arc needs revision. Akira Toriyama morphed his characters into nothing but a bunch of selfish jerks who often lose their marbles and care nothing more than to massage their pride.
Have you seen the "Goku - What's he like?" thread?

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