Damn Filler... (Wanted More?)

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:01 am

I was just wondering why Vegeta didn't go Ôzaru against Zarbon or Frieza, then he would've beaten the **** out of them. Even without the tail, Gohan has shown us that it grows back when he sees the moon (or a substitute of it) again. But then I came to realize that that part was just filler

Come to think of it, Gohan transformed due to a projection, but a projection can't reflect sunlight and transmit Bruits Waves

askani son · Post by **askani son** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:15 am

I think that there is a point where the tail just doesn't grow back. I'm not sure if this was referring to age or number of times its been cut off but meh.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:44 am

Toriyama stated it had to do with the Saiyans' power level at the time they lose it.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:52 am

If I remember correctly, Vejiita didnt have his tail at all after the Saiyan Saga. The doctor that revived him mentioned that they couldnt grow it back. I'm sure it woulve really come in handy on Namek.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:55 am

Actually, the doctor said he was sorry that he couldn't re-grow the tail, and Vegeta said it'd re-grow on its own.

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:07 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Actually, the doctor said he was sorry that he couldn't re-grow the tail, and Vegeta said it'd re-grow on its own.

Yeah, that's how I remember it.

Chances are, Vegeta just didn't know that at a certain age tails don't grow back (or at least I'm assuming they don't). I've always assumed the main reason for that was because Toriyama didn't want the Saiya-Jins becoming TOO powerful too quickly.

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:25 pm

Oh right, I was referring to the scene in the survival, the second time Gohan transforms, I completely forgot that that was how they defeated Vegeta as well.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:26 pm

well, besides that it'd still have limited use against Freeza. Sure, to quote dub Raditz, it'd knoick the stuffing out of Zarbon. But Freeza? Naot unless it was the Golden Oozaru or something.

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:34 pm

laserkid wrote:well, besides that it'd still have limited use against Freeza. Sure, to quote dub Raditz, it'd knoick the stuffing out of Zarbon. But Freeza? Naot unless it was the Golden Oozaru or something.

It would have had limited use against Frieza, yes. But if he'd had his tail, Vegeta still could have mopped the floor with Zarbon, Dedoria, and the Ginyu Force. Oozaru increases the individual's power by 10 times as far as I remember. Kuwi stated that on arriving on Namek, Vegeta had a power level of around 18 000 (though I could be wrong on that). 18 000 X 10 = 180 000, enough to bat around anyone besides Frieza.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:47 pm

Certainly true, but that could also work against him, attracting Freeza's attention much, much earlier. It might be that it was a blessing he couldn't use it - I garantee you if he made quick work of all of Freeza's goons, he'd be killed far too earlly in the story. Then Goku would not have had the fight with Captain Ginyu, pushing him ever close enough to Super Saiyan to be enraged later - it would have been a slaughter.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:22 pm

I remember hearing that a Saiyan's tail wouldn't regrow after a they reached a surtain age.

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:20 pm

Because of the Zenkai, by the time Vegeta faced Freeza I estimate his power level to be around 100k or something. Then when Freeza transformed his power level was around 1M, but 100k x 10 = 1M. Of course if he would've used it agains Zarbon, he wouldn't have been beaten to half-death and he wouldn't have gotten the Zenkai and Freeza would've still made mince-meat out of him.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:29 pm

When Vegeta fights Freeza, he's about even with him, putting him in the 500k region.

As for the tails stuff-

"What happened to Vegeta's tail after he was defeated on Earth?"-Marc LaCroix, Nove Scotia, Canada

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"The tail lets you gain tremendous strength instantly by transforming into a giant ape, but the risks are equally great--you'll lose your strength if it's squeezed. Once you're as powerful as Vegeta and Goku, the tail just gets in the way. It is thought that the bodies of Saiyans, who are a fighting species, decided that their tails are unnecessary appendages."-Akira Toriyama

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:06 pm

Yeah I thought it would be around that, but I wouldn't go high with the numbers, so I wouldn't overreact.

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:14 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:When Vegeta fights Freeza, he's about even with him, putting him in the 500k region.

Is that a power level from a Daizenshuu? Because I don't remember Frieza's power level actually ever being stated, with the exception of when Frieza transforms into his second form and claims it's reached 1 000 000.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:07 pm

tealsmith wrote:Is that a power level from a Daizenshuu? Because I don't remember Freeza's power level actually ever being stated, with the exception of when Freeza transforms into his second form and claims it's reached 1 000 000.

That would put Vegeta at the time of his death, at well over 1,000,000, since he saw a blast that Piccolo couldn't, and Piccolo beat up 2nd Form Frieza.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:15 pm

Please don't let this turn into a "power-level" debate...

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:32 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Please don't let this turn into a "power-level" debate...

Alright but just let me say that Frieza stated that his power level was 530,000 in his first form and above 1,000,000 in his second.

End Power Levels

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:46 pm

Ugg....

Powerlevels give me a headache.

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:52 pm

Damn Filler... (Wanted More?)

What's that supposed to mean? I didn't even add that? Was my topic locked for a while or something?