Is Piccolo Strong enough to defeat Android 17 in Cell Saga?

[SegaSaturnGamer]

One thing thats been keeping my mind pondering is this scenario:
Piccolo(after RoSaT) VS Android 17
During the Piccolo VS 17 fight, they seemed to be evenly matched in power levels and fighting abilities and the fight was basically an inconclusive stalemate until Cell stepped in. Basically it could have gone either way with either fighters as victors had Cell not interfered.

From what I read on DBZ wiki and other forums, during the days of training before the Cell games, Piccolo trained in RoSat and as a result gotten considerably stronger than he was during the fight against 17.

So I have been wondering whether or not Piccolo emerge as against 17 in a fight by the time the the Z Senshis finished training in RoSat and finally emerge to face Cell in the Tournament.

Whats your opinions?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Piccolo would destroy #17 by this point. Heck, Piccolo's full-power attack used against Cell would've likely been enough to wipe #17 out.

He's as strong as #17 before entering the room, and he's much stronger after leaving the room. Piccolo has #17 outclassed here.

[CatouttaHell]

Well Piccolo was even with Jinzoningen #17 BEFORE he spent an entire year training in the RoSaT so of course he'd be able to defeat him after that. He'd probably be able to take SSjin Vegeta after his first RoSaT visit or even Semi-Perfect Cell.

[Hellspawn28]

Post-ROSAT Piccolo should able to give Semi-Perfect Cell a decent fight. If Cell never show up, Piccolo could have killed 17 but I doubt he would enough energy to fight #18 or #16 afterwards.

[Nazi Cola]

I think Piccolo got a good bit stronger than SSjG2 Vegeta after the RoSaT (but still weak enough to get owned by Initial Perfect Cell). Piccolo would stomp No.17 into the center of the earth.

[lash]

So I have been wondering whether or not Piccolo emerge as against 17 in a fight by the time the the Z Senshis finished training in RoSat and finally emerge to face Cell in the Tournament.

Whats your opinions?

What?

One thing thats been keeping my mind pondering is this scenario:
Piccolo(after RoSaT) VS Android 17
During the Piccolo VS 17 fight, they seemed to be evenly matched in power levels and fighting abilities and the fight was basically an inconclusive stalemate until Cell stepped in. Basically it could have gone either way with either fighters as victors had Cell not interfered.

From what I read on DBZ wiki and other forums, during the days of training before the Cell games, Piccolo trained in RoSat and as a result gotten considerably stronger than he was during the fight against 17.

Is Piccolo Strong enough to defeat Android 17 in Cell Saga?

Somehow I think you answered your own question someway or another.

[Dabooyaka]

I think Piccolo takes this. I see Piccolo as strong as USSJ Vegeta.

[Kroni_Hunter]

I don't know why there was any question in the first place...

[Vernichter]

I'm pretty sure that at his Cell Games battle power, Piccolo could god-stomp any of the Androids and very likely even 2nd-form Cell. Maybe with relative ease.

[p123]

Yea, no one truly knows where Piccolo's power was Post Rosat, but it def would godstomp 17...

Piccolo could be anywhere from a shade under 16/Imperfect Cell all the way up to above USSJ Vegeta...


I personally place Piccolo in the Semi Cell range,

Piccolo( Cell ) = Initial Semi Cell
Piccolo ( Buu ) = Semi Cell Fp


Is how I have it... And I'm a Base > Piccolo supporter as well...

[Kroni_Hunter]

It's just hard for me to accept that Piccolo could reach the level of or even surpass Super Vegeta just from one round of ROSAT. He wasn't much stronger than SSJ Vegeta before going in, so he would pretty much have to grind it out in there and get as much raw power than a new SSJ Transformation. Piccolo doesn't get Zenkais or Transformations, so how can he catch up?

[CatouttaHell]

It's just hard for me to accept that Piccolo could reach the level of or even surpass Super Vegeta just from one round of ROSAT. He wasn't much stronger than SSJ Vegeta before going in, so he would pretty much have to grind it out in there and get as much raw power than a new SSJ Transformation. Piccolo doesn't get Zenkais or Transformations, so how can he catch up?

Let's not forget that Saiya-jins have more potential than Namekse-jins and their powers grow much faster. And Vegeta went in with Trunks the first time while Piccolo went in alone.

[Godo]

He wasn't much stronger than SSJ Vegeta before going in

Piccolo was much stronger than Vegeta before going in. So strong, that Vegeta thought it was unfair that Piccolo got his power so easily.
Vegeta lost his advantage against the weaker C18 pretty quickly in their fight, whilst Piccolo held out for a long time in his fight against the stronger C17. This indicates that there is some significant gap between their power.
I'd say that if Piccolo fought Vegeta then, the result would be the same as Super Vegeta vs. Semi-Perfect Cell.

Let's not forget that Saiya-jins have more potential than Namekse-jins and their powers grow much faster. And Vegeta went in with Trunks the first time while Piccolo went in alone.

Piccolo became (most likely) stronger than Freeza in three years (from being in the one million range). The only way the Saiya-jins could become that strong was through the SSJ transformation. I'd say that the speed in which Piccolo grows is leagues above the Saiya-jins (who only rely on the SSJ transformations).

[Fox666]

Piccolo was much stronger than Vegeta before going in. So strong, that Vegeta thought it was unfair that Piccolo got his power so easily.
Vegeta lost his advantage against the weaker C18 pretty quickly in their fight, whilst Piccolo held out for a long time in his fight against the stronger C17. This indicates that there is some significant gap between their power.

I disagree.

The way the series show, much like what happened with Vegeta vs 18 happened with Piccolo vs 17. Both of them were on pair with their opponents, but began to lost due to the unlimited stamina of their opponents.

Vegeta was pissed off because he thought he reached the greatest level possible, and sudden he was surpassed by two androids, Piccolo and Cell...

[Scorpio Kardia]

Well Piccolo claimed that 17's punches weren't much...(page 100 of volume 15)

So at the very least he was equal with 17, now there's no way to tell how strong he was after ROSAT but Goku does notice that Piccolo is a lot stronger even though he is not strong enough to face Cell. (page 106 of volume 17)

So if Piccolo was at least equal to 17 before entering the ROSAT then after he trained and became much stronger he should be more than able to beat 17 pretty fast.

[p123]

Agreed. Piccolo reaching USSJ Vegeta does seem awfully unrealistic. We know SSJ progression is back in control , and is the dominant progressive form. Piccolo training for the Androids, showed us he can progress much faster than a Pre Rosat SSJ, but the Post Rosat SSJ progressed even faster, and Piccolo now joined with Kami, seems to progress slower than before..


Piccolo was superior to Vegeta previously, but I don't think anyone thinks it's by multi folds...


Piccolo based on logic IMO, is lucky to reach SSJ Vegeta Rosat 1 based off the progression. SSJ Vegeta, is already nearly on par with Initial Semi Cell, a power Piccolo considers unreachable, and unnatural...

[Pokewhiz7]

From what I read on DBZ wiki

Please....no.

[Nineteen]

I look at it this way:

SSJ Vegeta (pre-ROSAT): 50
Android 18: 60
Android 17/Imperfect Cell: 70
'Kamiccolo' (pre-ROSAT): 75
Android 16/Semi-perfect Cell: 80
'Kamiccolo' (post-ROSAT): 85
SSJ grade 2 Vegeta: 100

I don't think that Vegeta was necessarily twice as strong as before, or exactly one and one-sixth times as strong as Piccolo in the same general period of the Cell Games, but that this is what their relative rankings would look like. I'd peg Piccolo post-ROSAT as being ever so slightly weaker than 'Super Vegeta', but a little stronger than Android 16.

[Fox666]

Huh, I believe the gap in power should be way bigger than that.

• Cell (in his first form) was capable of putting Piccolo and no.17 in the ground with one punch, and come without a scratch from Piccolo's Chou Bakuretsu-Maha.
• After absorbing no.17, Cell didn't flinch from a hit on his face by no.16 (who was equal in power to Cell's first form). He was in completely different level, and still wasn't using all of his power.
• Vegeta, whom surpassed Cell in his second form, was hopeless against Cell. He hit Cell on his neck with no effect — however, after training in the Room of Time a second time, Vegeta was confident he would be the one to defeat Cell.
• For Vegeta's delusion, Cell displayed much more power than before when fighting Goku, which Vegeta felt hopeless — and of course this still wasn't Cell's maximum power (which he only showed after Gohan reached Super Saiyan 2).

Well, my point is that I would expect a greater gap in powers. Like no.16 being twice as strong as no.17 and 18, and Cell (after absorbing no.17) to be twice as strong as no.16. And Perfect Cell would be twice as strong as Vegeta in Grade II, which Vegeta would surpass after training in the Room of Time a second time.....

[SylentEcho]

I think Piccolo was indeed slightly stronger than 17, but 17's Ki never runs out and he never even gets tired. I think 17 would take this.