False SSJ

Super Vegito · Post by **Super Vegito** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:33 pm

What exactly is it, and why? Was this originally suppose to be Super Saiyan, but the design was scrapped?

Dorexx · Post by **Dorexx** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:52 pm

Just a power-up.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:02 pm

Daizex.com has a page about transformations, with FSSJ included. Be sure to check questions on the main site before posting.
To answer you in a nutshell, I think it's TOEI's idea of what SSJ would look like before it was officially released in the manga. Had the movie came out by the end of the Freeza saga, the transformation would have probably been identical the the official one.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:28 pm

DBZ movie came out in March 1991, a month before Goku became a Super Saiyan in the manga, so that's probably why the movie version of the form differs from the design that ended up being used in the manga and everything afterward. Via Daizenshuu 7, it was Toriyama who suggested that they depict Super Saiyan with upright hair for the movie. I suppose the anime staff came up with the rest of the design, and Toriyama then went on to come up with his own, so that's why the two designs don't have much in common besides the upright hair.

So yeah, basically in the movie it's supposed to be Goku as a Super Saiyan, but the actual Super Saiyan design ultimately used in the main series turned out so different that the later guidebooks just branded it "False Super Saiyan" and rationalized it as Goku becoming sort of but not quite a Super Saiyan.

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:34 pm

The visual looks just like a Kaio-ken with upright hair. Is the golden aura pure coincidence?

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:39 pm

Fox666 wrote:The visual looks just like a Kaio-ken with upright hair. Is the golden aura pure coincidence?

I guess so.

I always found this form pretty cool, since it came out of pretty much nowhere, and was a bit of a surprise.

And despite whatever hate it may get me, I found the Funi soundtrack that went along with it pretty cool.

violadude · Post by **violadude** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:09 am

I dont have a problem with this form per-se but the thing that always bugged me was that the moviee was called "Supa Saiya-jin Son Goku" when he only transformed in the middle of the fight for a few minutes and it barely did ANYTHING!

They might as well called the movie "Super Earless Piccolo Daimao."

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:58 am

violadude wrote:I dont have a problem with this form per-se but the thing that always bugged me was that the moviee was called "Supa Saiya-jin Son Goku" when he only transformed in the middle of the fight for a few minutes and it barely did ANYTHING!
They might as well called the movie "Super Earless Piccolo Daimao."

Or Explode! Kuririn's Kamehame-Ha!

Super Vegito · Post by **Super Vegito** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:18 pm

Ah, thanks for the info Herms!

SuperForteX · Post by **SuperForteX** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:34 am

Herms, do you know what source is it where Toriyama is confirmed to suggesting to Toei to use upright hair for the Super Saiyan design in that movie? Thanks! -SFX

SuperForteX · Post by **SuperForteX** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:35 am

Herms, do you know what source describes Toriyama making that sugestion to Toei about the upright hair for the Lord Slug movie? Thanks! //SFX

SylentEcho · Post by **SylentEcho** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:10 am

Dorexx wrote:Just a power-up.

What sort of an answer is that?

Thread-starter, as Herms said this was actually supposed to be Super Saiyan. I think they didn't do it right because maybe they didn't want to spoil the real Super Saiyan look for the fans when it actually aired on the tele or it wasn't properly designed as yet. We'll never know, but my hunch is that they didn't want to show what it looked like properly yet.

Also:
http://www.daizex.com/guides/transforma ... yan/#quasi

Pokewhiz7 · Post by **Pokewhiz7** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:31 pm

Just like how in the anime, Vegeta originally had red hair because he hadn't appeared in the manga yet.

Post by **Herms** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:47 pm

SuperForteX wrote:Herms, do you know what source describes Toriyama making that sugestion to Toei about the upright hair for the Lord Slug movie? Thanks! //SFX

It's from Daizenshuu 7 pages 252-253, which takes a look at various anime-only stuff. It also says it was Toriyama's idea for Namekians to be weak to the sound of whistling.

Kirby456 · Post by **Kirby456** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:06 am

In the anime Daizenshuu, this form was originally labeled as the true Super Saiyan form, but later re-labled as Giji or "False" Super Saiyan after the actual Super Saiyan form was introduced in the manga series.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:40 pm

How strong was the False SSj level form since it been nearly a decade since I watched the movie, and the only thing I recall False SSj doing was owning Lord Slug before he transform into a larger form?

Kirby456 · Post by **Kirby456** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:19 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:How strong was the False SSj level form since it been nearly a decade since I watched the movie, and the only thing I recall False SSj doing was owning Lord Slug before he transform into a larger form?

I'm guessing (note this is my personal guess) around 5 millon Goku seemed to be around 100,000 in that movie.

I'm aim (tähele, et see on minu isiklik oletus) umbes 5 Milloni Goku tundus olevat umbes 100.000 selles filmis.

Nazi Cola · Post by **Nazi Cola** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:44 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:How strong was the False SSj level form since it been nearly a decade since I watched the movie, and the only thing I recall False SSj doing was owning Lord Slug before he transform into a larger form?

I personally put him at around 3,000,000ish, and Giant Slug around 4,000,000ish.

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:57 pm

I personally jump around at having it be between Goku's Kaiokenx20 and Super Saiyan's x50 multiplier.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:58 pm

Kirby456 wrote:In the anime Daizenshuu, this form was originally labeled as the true Super Saiyan form, but later re-labled as Giji or "False" Super Saiyan after the actual Super Saiyan form was introduced in the manga series.

No, all the daizenshuu came out after the manga wrapped up. Daizenshuu 6 (the movies and specials daizenshuu) avoids addressing the issue of what the heck Goku's "Super Saiyan" form in DBZ movie 4 really is in relation to the Super Saiyan forms we later see in the main series, but it certainly doesn't call it the "true Super Saiyan form". I believe Daizenshuu 7 (which came out two months after 6) is when the term giji/False Super Saiyan is first used.

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