Highest level of ki manipulation?

[Piccolo Daimao]

What do you think is the highest level of ki manipulation seen in the series? Could it be Super Saiyan Gotenks' Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack, since each ki has its own consciousness?

[SuperForteX]

You'd be hard pressed to find one more advanced. Were you to include non-manga sources, there are a number of unique ones.

Chibi Buu's Osmosis Bomb - The ki blast that can absorb other ki blasts to increase its strength. It's not typical of an attack to do such a thing.

Super Gogeta's Soul Punisher - Which destroys Evil Energy and cleanses the body of it, saving the life of the host of a demonic possession.

SSj4 Gogeta's Karma Conversion - By touching the minus energy power ball, he converted the minus energy into positive energy, and then used it to wipe out all the minus energy on the Earth. This is a particularly high level of ki manipulation that must require god-like mastery of its control.

There's some other questionable ones, but are possibly the highest level of all if properly proven:

Instantaneous Movement: The Yardat's specialty move.. but is it ki manipulation at all? If it is, then it's among the highest technique in terms of being advanced.

Kai Kai: Like Instantaneous Movement, only even more advanced, since you simply imagine a place in your head and go there, even if you've never been there before and you haven't a ki lock on. Like Instantaneous Movement though it may be considered 'magic' and not ki manip.

That's all the ones I can think of. Oh, wait there's also Akumatio beam right? This could be magic as well but if it's ki manipulation then it's something pretty advanced and special.

Oh and then there's Mafuba, which almost certainly is ki manipulation but its far more advanced then 'hitting a target and going boom', since it's designed to contain Evil Energy. It's a ki manip technique since it's stated to be a move developed by martial artists.

Here's another one: Power Ball. It requires a big chunk of your ki for some reason, and somehow magically "Burst and then Mix" and it creates an enduring full moon in the sky, Blutz waves and all! And somehow verbally speakin "burst and mix" is a required part of the incantation. It's a very odd technique.

[Zionist]

Genki Dama, Kaio-Ken, Namekian and Cell's regeneration.

Genki Dama because it acquires ki from other loving beings and gathers it into one ball of ki. No other technique takes ki from other beings.

The Kaio-Ken of course because you're using up all the Ki in your body and amplifying your senses to dangerous levels to where if you're not in control, your body gets eff'd up. Only someone who's mastered it could use it.

Of course Regen has to be on the list. Don't know exactly how to explain it, but it's sort of obvious that ki manipulation is involved right?

[Mitsuomi]

Shin Kikoho. Tien being able to push back 2nd form Cell was a mighty impressive feat if you ask me. This makes a very powerful Ki technique indeed.
Kaioken, for the simple fact that amplifying ones Ki output 20 fold with a technique is very impressive. Considering some believe a Kamehameha is around 2x amplified, this blows that and many other Ki attacks out of the water.

[Cipher]

Ryu-Ken has to be in that level of god-class manipulation as well. It's a physical technique that releases so much energy it actually manifests into a detailed and specific form. It's also capable of defeating opponents normally much, much stronger than its user (easily capable of tearing through Hirudegarn, Super 17 and Yi Xing-Long).

The one Goku uses on San Xing-Long is as big as a goddamn city. Goku makes a dragon as a big as a city with nothing but ki, and releases it with nothing but a punch. Holy shit.

[Michsi]

One of my biggest arguments for the non-saiyan fraction is that Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin and yes, even Yamcha seem to be a helluva lot more creative when it comes to developing techniques or ki manipulation. The only saiyan that comes close to it is Gotenks it's effectivness of his techniques is questionable since I don't know if they aren't just meant to be flashy. In the end the Kamikaz attack were just energy blast with faces, something between the split form and guided missle attacks that we see Yamcha, Piccolo and Goku use.

But my two favorite attacks when it comes to the shape of ki and how you use it are Krillin's Kienzan and Piccolo's Makkankosappo (most probably spelled wrong). One cuts, the other drills through. Every other attack implies an explosion of some sort. Not to mention, at least in theory, these type of attacks should be less enery consuming than others it's the form they take that makes them affective rather than the force behind it.

[Bussani]

But my two favorite attacks when it comes to the shape of ki and how you use it are Krillin's Kienzan and Piccolo's Makkankosappo (most probably spelled wrong). One cuts, the other drills through. Every other attack implies an explosion of some sort. Not to mention, at least in theory, these type of attacks should be less enery consuming than others it's the form they take that makes them affective rather than the force behind it.

There are some others that fall under the same categories as these. Dodonpa is said to be in the same category as Makankosappo, though I think it's safe to say it's not as powerful. As for Kienzan, Freeza has his "Death Saucer" versions, and Vegetto's "Ki Saber" might be fundamentally similar as well.

[Michsi]

There are some others that fall under the same categories as these. Dodonpa is said to be in the same category as Makankosappo, though I think it's safe to say it's not as powerful. As for Kienzan, Freeza has his "Death Saucer" versions, and Vegetto's "Ki Saber" might be fundamentally similar as well.

Ah yes, the dodonpa too, and I suppose Freeza's finger laser is similar to that aswell. But while they are all attacks that pierce, the makkankosappo actually drills through. The others might be simply concentrated energy beams.


As for Freeza's "death saucer", he could have been imitating Krillin. Vegeta does that too

I forgot about Vegetto's "Ki saber". Seems tha fusions are better at manipulating ki than normal saiyans....

[Bussani]

Yeah, the special attack dictionary goes as far as saying that Vegeta's disk attack is the same thing as Kienzan, but that Vegeta never gives it a name. It's possible that he just imitated Kuririn. I always thought that Freeza's might be something he already had, though, since he can even control their flight after throwing them.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yeah, the special attack dictionary goes as far as saying that Vegeta's disk attack is the same thing as Kienzan, but that Vegeta never gives it a name. It's possible that he just imitated Kuririn. I always thought that Freeza's might be something he already had, though, since he can even control their flight after throwing them.

I always thought Vegeta and Freeza's Kienzans were just imitations of Kuririn's Kienzan, and that the reason Freeza could control its flight was because...well, he was Freeza. He was just better at it. I mean, I think Tenshinhan's Kamehameha was stronger than Yamcha's because he deflected Yamcha's one and fired a huge one of his own at Kame-sennin (despite what Kame-sennin says, I don't think the Kamehameha itself doesn't affect Tenshinhan; he was just using Yamcha as an example, but we know Yamcha was weaker than Tenshinhan and I doubt, for example, Tenshinhan could tank or deflect that Goku fired at Piccolo Daimao after drinking the Super God Water). It's not necessarily the same thing, but I thought it was worth pointing out.