Captain Ginyu - Z & GT (Spoilers)

Magica · Post by **Magica** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:40 pm

I think it was either Wednesday's or Thursday's episode of GT where Yemma was sending the escapees back to Hell *HFILGAG*. When I seen this I though I've seen a glimpse of Captain Ginyu there. I though that he was still a frog, or is this was a plothole that GT made?

(Sorry if this doesn't make sense)

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:57 pm

No doubt a plothole. GT's 'Escape From Hell' sequence also featured several movie characters, when the movies clearly don't fit into the cannon storyline.

So in other words, try not to take anything you see in GT that conflicts with Z too seriously, because completely re-writing established facts is something that Grand Tour does best

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:11 am

About that frog thing, I always wondered why he just didn't try to steal another body

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:37 am

He can't talk

Vaeran · Post by **Vaeran** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:38 am

I wondered that too, but I've decided that Ginyu's body-switch technique probably requires some amount of ki to perform, and the little frog just doesn't have it.

Slightly off-topic, there was a question here a while back as to why Ginyu never tried to snatch Freeza's body. I think a large part of Ginyu's success with the technique is that his victims never see it coming. Freeza on the other hand knows Ginyu's abilities quite well, and is aware that he makes an appealing target, so he's probably very much on guard whenever Ginyu's around. If the Cap'n ever made one wrong move he'd be purple toast.

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:19 am

Maybe it does require Ki, but he did use it against Bulma while being a frog. The talkin explanation would be better, since he only used it against Bulma after she finished the Universal Translator and gave it to him.

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:17 pm

I believe I asked this question a while ago about Ginyu's possible exploitation of Earth after the Freeza story arc. Vaeran's explanation makes sense, as the whole incident with Bulma was just filler. And with Ginyu being viewed in Hell as himself, couldn't it be that his presence in Hell is his soul, not his body?

On a side note, I thought that only good characters, such as those whose lives were important to the universe, kept their bodies after they died.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:36 pm

On a side note, I thought that only good characters, such as those whose lives were important to the universe, kept their bodies after they died.

That's true. In the manga, at least. Well, the anime has that rule too, but Toei didn't pay any attention to it >_<

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:52 pm

*PINHEAD* wrote:And with Ginyu being viewed in Hell as himself, couldn't it be that his presence in Hell is his soul, not his body?

You mean because the life expectancy of a frog is a lot lower than that of a man and that the frog with his soul had already died?

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:43 pm

Actually, the frog would have died when Buu blew up the Earth (if he servived Super Buu's rain of ki).

As for why he never took Freeza's body, I just figure either:

1) The other person can't be too much stronger than he is (2/3 times at the most).

2) He didn't want to deal with rulling an Empire.

3) He didn't want to deal with an upset King Cold.

4) He wasn't that intelligent.

5) All of the above. (most probable

)

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:25 pm

Perhaps he was just loyal to Freeza. Seemed that way to me. He was Freeza's #1 man, why would he want to become him? He has his own little Force to control

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:11 pm

Gamingdevil wrote:
*PINHEAD* wrote:And with Ginyu being viewed in Hell as himself, couldn't it be that his presence in Hell is his soul, not his body?
You mean because the life expectancy of a frog is a lot lower than that of a man and that the frog with his soul had already died?

Eh?

I meant that when GT shows Ginyu as himself and not the frog, it is showing Ginyu's soul, not the body we was in before he died.

The S · Post by **The S** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:43 pm

If the Cap'n ever made one wrong move he'd be purple toast.

I prefer to say he'd crunchitize the Cap'n.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:42 am

I agree with CMG, he was too loyal to Freeza. He had all the 7 Dragon Balls with him and could have made the wish instead of bringing them to Freeza. Even if he didn't know what was required for the wish, he could have antecipated Freeza's wish when Freeza decided that all that was needed was just stating the wish to the Balls. He never really showed fear when thinking/referring of/to Freeza.

Silent_Rage · Post by **Silent_Rage** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:54 pm

When something like that happens on a show, I just think that something happened "off camera" that we didn't see. My best guess is that the people who control the afterlife wound out about this mistake of people in the wrong bodies and switched them back for whatever reason. Possibly so they don't get confused over who goes to Hell and who goes to Heaven.

askani son · Post by **askani son** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 8:48 pm

Haha. One of you guys should change your avatar

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:19 am

Lol, I was like "wtf, I wrote two posts?

"

Btw, I'm not changing my avatar.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Mon May 02, 2005 12:38 am

Ahh~! The Super 17 Saga is just Movie 12 over again, only stale and bitter crap, in my opinion. They made to many bad decisions, made too many errors, and didn't spend enough time coming up with a plot for it. The only new thing about the Super 17 Saga was that it had Cell, and Movie 12 didn't. Everything else, you can get in Movie 12, plus Hilter!

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon May 02, 2005 4:29 pm

Well I really don't think the Super 17 saga is completely like movie 12. Goku fights on Earth, not in Hell, and there is no fusion in it. Now the Evil Shenlong saga has the Gogeta fusion and I would say even that is a bit closer to the movie. Though I agree that doing the whole "all the villains have escaped from Hell" again was unoriginal to say the least. I personally liked the Super 17 arc though. It was dramatic and not dragging in the fight department, plus it had more of Piccolo, one of my fav characters.^^ Only thing I really hated about it was Gohan having so much trouble with Rirudo. That was just so wrong.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:23 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:Only thing I really hated about it was Gohan having so much trouble with Rirudo. That was just so wrong.

Ah-ha! "Turning to metal." It's the Babidi saga over again, only updated! Now do you see how crafty Toei can be?

However, I, too, liked the Super 17 Saga. What happened with Goku in Hell was fun to watch. The fighting on Earth went down as boring for my taste.

Kanzenshuu

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