Vegeta's brown hair, Kai and Z

[Attitudefan]

Can anyone get me a screen cap with his brown hair during the Namek saga? Actually, a comparison shot between Kai and Z. Kai had the lightened colours and it is much more noticeable. So if anyone can get me a shot, I would be grateful!

PS, I don't really want the one where Freeza shoots Dende...


Also, Nappa has brown hair too?

I need this for a colour palette for my animation.

[gallagtor]

There should really be a thread specifically for screen cap requests since so many topics like this are popping up.

[Fox666]

Apparently not all saiyans have the exact hair color in the anime. Vegeta is brownish comparable to Goku. However it's not so noticeable because of the quality of the old anime image. I also believe the brown color is partially a left-over of the color scheme primarily given to Vegeta before he landed on Earth.

In the Kai opening it's more evident, due to the image clarity. And even more in the Budokai games opening themes.

Since the manga was black and white, the animators didn't had a certain idea if saiyans really were meant to have the same hair color, so they varied with multiple colors that could be used as a replacement for the black color in the manga.

[Attitudefan]

There should really be a thread specifically for screen cap requests since so many topics like this are popping up.

Agreed! I would love that! I love to use them as reference images or for colour palettes.

Apparently not all saiyans have the exact hair color in the anime. Vegeta is brownish comparable to Goku. However it's not so noticeable because of the quality of the old anime image. I also believe the brown color is partially a left-over of the color scheme primarily given to Vegeta before he landed on Earth.

In the Kai opening it's more evident, due to the image clarity. And even more in the Budokai games opening themes.

Since the manga was black and white, the animators didn't had a certain idea if saiyans really were meant to have the same hair color, so they varied with multiple colors that could be used as a replacement for the black color in the manga.

As far as I know, Goku is actually the only one with true black hair (Bardock doesn't count!)

But does anybody have a screenshot comparison of Vegeta in the Namek saga? I would really appreciate it.

[SHINOBI-03]

Screencaps from Dragon Box 2. Taken from jjgp1112.





As you can see, his hair is a tad brownish.

[Attitudefan]

Thank you! Those are exactly what I need! Yeah, it's really noticeable with the DBZBoxes and Kai as the colours are much more vibrant and fixed up.

Gotta love the art on the second pic though. Love that style

[SHINOBI-03]

Apparently not all saiyans have the exact hair color in the anime. Vegeta is brownish comparable to Goku. However it's not so noticeable because of the quality of the old anime image. I also believe the brown color is partially a left-over of the color scheme primarily given to Vegeta before he landed on Earth.

In Kai, Raditz's hair color is a bit bluish instead of solid black.

[Attitudefan]

I think it was always blue but in Kai it is just so much more noticeable. It's like a navy colour.

I also find it funny how, at first, Kai tried to correct Vegeta's brown hair, yet Raditz's was never corrected. So my question would be, are all these colours Toei Animation's fault or Toriyama's?

Thanks for these screens!

[Metalwario64]

So my question would be, are all these colours Toei Animation's fault or Toriyama's?

Definitely Toei. I believe Toriyama always colored Radditz' and Vegeta's hair black. Toei is notorious for screwing up colors. For example, in Fist of the North Star, Rei went from having black hair and a light blue/white outfit, to having light green hair and a dark green outfit:

Manga Rei:


Anime Rei:


Let's not also forget Seto Kaiba's green hair in Toei's Yugioh.

[Attitudefan]

So then why would that happen? I mean, they "corrected" Vegeta and Nappa's colours, so why not fix everything later on? I mean, that's quite a big change, from Black to blue... but they could have pretended that never happened. Do you think the authors allow that change then?

[Fox666]

In many instances Toei simply choose to stay with the wrong colors.

In One Piece sometimes the manga author choose to stay with the boring anime colors.

[Metalwario64]

So then why would that happen? I mean, they "corrected" Vegeta and Nappa's colours, so why not fix everything later on?

Laziness.

I mean, that's quite a big change, from Black to blue...

Not much different from Vegeta's often brown hair, seeing as how dark of a blue it is. Also, I just posted an example of Toei changing the hair color of a Fist of the North Star character from black/sometimes portrayed as very dark blue, to light green, which is a much more drastic change (and causes some slight problems with his hair color later in the series, where it turns white, which was a huge contrast in the manga, but hardly noticeable in the anime).

Do you think the authors allow that change then?

I also don't think Toriyama even cared in the first place, because didn't he mention he wanted the readers of the manga to imagine their own colors for the characters, or something along those lines? Also, I don't think he was in control of how Toei colored the series.

[Attitudefan]

I don't think he was in control of how Toei colored the series.

That's most likely I presume. But he DID have the colours of SSJ fixed, it could've looked like what it did in Movie 4. So I think he did have some authority.

Sometimes colours make the show. Sometimes I wonder what it might be like having the rest of the series with an orange Vegeta. Could you take him as seriously?

[Metalwario64]

Sometimes I wonder what it might be like having the rest of the series with an orange Vegeta. Could you take him as seriously?

Well, we had white Karin as opposed to the original blue palette, and wasn't Yajirobe's outfit originally green or blue?

[GotenDaisuki]

Could you take him as seriously?

I dislike Vegeta's "orange" coloring. I thought they fixed him up very well later in Z. So, could I take "orange" Vegeta as seriously as "fixed-up" Vegeta? Probably not. Plus, it wouldn't even work, because during the Trunks stuff, Vegeta says that all Saiya-jins' hair color is black.

[Metalwario64]

If Toei had taken their usual route and had kept his orange and green colors, it's possible that by the time he changed his armor before the Freeza battle, that they would have at least changed his armor color to white, but kept his hair the lighter brown/red.

The "black hair" line would have likely been removed though, but they've done similar things in Dragon Ball as well, like when they removed Zarbon's mention to Vegeta of Freeza's ability to transform, which created a minor plot-hole.

[Attitudefan]

Well, we had white Karin as opposed to the original blue palette, and wasn't Yajirobe's outfit originally green or blue?

Karin is an exception. I think it was for the better he wasn't coloured dark as that would represent "evil" instead of "heavenly". That sounds a bit racist... well I didn't mean it that way at all!!!

Yajarobi's not in the show long enough, but it isn't a durastic change compared to hair colour, whole "makeover" etc.

Vegeta says that all Saiya-jins' hair color is black.

That would have been omitted.

If Toei had taken their usual route and had kept his orange and green colors, it's possible that by the time he changed his armor before the Freeza battle, that they would have at least changed his armor color to white, but kept his hair the lighter brown/red.

I honestly wouldn't mind that so much. Vegeta looks cooler with brown hair, not so much the red....

The "black hair" line would have likely been removed though, but they've done similar things in Dragon Ball as well, like when they removed Zarbon's mention to Vegeta of Freeza's ability to transform, which created a minor plot-hole.

The Toei's version made a plot-hole by having Vegeta say that. He says it while NOT having black hair!

[GotenDaisuki]

The "black hair" line would have likely been removed though, but they've done similar things in Dragon Ball as well, like when they removed Zarbon's mention to Vegeta of Freeza's ability to transform, which created a minor plot-hole.

The Toei's version made a plot-hole by having Vegeta say that. He says it while NOT having black hair!

Well, I'm pretty sure casual fans never noticed Vegeta's brown hair. At first, I didn't notice, so it wasn't such a big plot-hole at all.

[Attitudefan]

I always noticed it for some reason :/

But I see what you are saying... but then why is it so unnoticeable?

[Metalwario64]

The Toei's version made a plot-hole by having Vegeta say that. He says it while NOT having black hair!

Well, in my experience, sometimes when people have very dark brown hair (like anime Vegeta), some people consider it "black". Maybe you can treat the anime line as being a blanket term for Saiyans all having very dark hair?

I have very dark brown hair (darker than anime Vegeta's), and I believe some people have referred to it as black before. I guess it's somewhat like dirty blond vs light brown hair, and sometimes people classify it as either, whereas I can hardly even tell the difference.