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Vaeran · Post by **Vaeran** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:24 am

I sent a big old stack of questions to VegettoEX a couple months ago, but he never replied. So I thought rather than pester him again, I'd pester you all instead. :D

I'm pretty new to Dragonball and its online community, so apologies if these questions have been beaten to death already (and then wished back and beaten to death again). I suspect that most of them probably don't have definitive answers anyway, so I'm mostly looking for opinions.

When Goku dies, Enma-daiou tells him that Raditz fought against being sent to hell. How is this possible, when Raditz ought to have been relieved of his body upon reaching the afterlife? And further, if Enma isn't even as strong as Kaiou-sama, how does he deal with the truly scary people (Freeza and beyond) that start getting sent to him?

And speaking of the afterlife... When Piccolo Daimaou died, did his soul go to hell, or was it transferred to the new Piccolo?

I haven't gotten up to the Majin Buu arc yet, which is probably where this would be explained, if anywhere, but what exactly is meant when talking about the North (South, etc) Galaxy? Are they separate dimensions/universes? Or are they literally galaxies as we use the term, and if so, does that mean the Dragon World only has four galaxies?

I know you hate power levels and all things power level-related, but this one really bugs me so I'm going to ask anyway. Why on earth do scouters occasionally explode when measuring levels as low as ~20,000, such as when Kiwi tries to read Vegeta? Surely they'd have to be tougher than that, with people like Freeza and the Ginyu Force walking around, wouldn't they? That's some pretty shoddy craftsmanship, coming from the same people who can make form-fitting rubber armor that expands to fifty times its size.

And this is probably an odd question, but doesn't Saichoro and Kami-sama's creation of the Dragonballs seem rather like overstepping their bounds? They're the guardians of individual planets (bonus n00b question: is Saichoro technically Namek's kami?), but they've gone and made powerful items with potentially very dangerous effects that could reach far beyond those planets, such as letting someone like Freeza become immortal. Maybe it's just me, but if I were Kaiou-sama, I'd put a stop to that foolishness right quick. What the heck does he do all day, anyway? :/

Thanks for any light you can shed!

Sorry for cramming so many topics into one thread, but I thought a flood of threads for each question probably wouldn't have been appreciated either.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:49 am

I'll answer a couple since I'm short on time.

Piccolo Daimaô created a reincarnation of himself, making the "Ma Junior" Piccolo. He even tells the Budôkai croud, "Of course I look like the Demon King! I'm his reincarnation!" (rough quote). That's how Ma Junior knows what Piccolo Daimaô knows.

As for the scouters, the ones that exploded were older models. Dodoria had "the newest scouter on the marker."

The Great Elder (Saichôrô) is actually the father of all the Namekians (minus Piccolo).

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:19 am

Actually, from what I understand, there's gonna be a BIG update to that section sometime soon... ^^

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:44 am

I can answer your question about the galaxies. Basically in the DB world, the universe is divided up into four sections. And they are known simply as their direction. North, south, east, and west. A Kaio presides over each sector, above them is the Dai Kaio, then above him are the Kaioshins. There are also four of them for each sector too just like the Kaios. And then above them, the Dai Kaioshin. It is hinted at that there are powers above them too, but that is as far as we get to finding out anything more.

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:33 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I'll answer a couple since I'm short on time.
As for the scouters, the ones that exploded were older models. Dodoria had "the newest scouter on the marker."

They are indeed older models, but wasn't it mainly because the powers were rising to fast and the scouter not being able to keep up rather than just the fact of the high power levels?

Edit: you'll find that a lot of questions people have are never explained in the series (like some little plot holes) and are mosly answered by mere speculation.

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:45 am

Vaeran wrote: When Goku dies, Enma-daiou tells him that Raditz fought against being sent to hell. How is this possible, when Raditz ought to have been relieved of his body upon reaching the afterlife? And further, if Enma isn't even as strong as Kaiou-sama, how does he deal with the truly scary people (Freeza and beyond) that start getting sent to him?

Maybe it's just me, but if I were Kaiou-sama, I'd put a stop to that foolishness right quick. What the heck does he do all day, anyway? :/

The whole Raditz thing is really a plothole, nothing more. Technically, he shouldn't have his body, like you said.

Now as for good old Kami, that's quite possibly the single greatest Dragonball question ever. Just what the hell do Earth's Kamis do all day? One would assume that they 'Guard' the Earth, but for all we really know they could just sit up there playing Battleship all day.

Sho™ · Post by **Sho™** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:58 am

Probably doing whatever Roshi, or Rou Dai Kaioushin would be doing. XD

lost in thought · Post by **lost in thought** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:22 am

tealsmith wrote:but for all we really know they could just sit up there playing Battleship all day

That's a funny thought... I could just imagine how that would look. Someone with a decent skill for drawing Kami, and Old Kaioushin, should draw the two playing battleship, or Sorry!, that would be funny as hell.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:37 pm

If Kami is supposed to guard the Earth, why didn't he kill Piccolo Daimaô the first time he started a rampage? No one was able to defeat him, and Kami is stronger than Piccolo Daimaô, so...

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:06 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:If Kami is supposed to guard the Earth, why didn't he kill Piccolo Daimaô the first time he started a rampage? No one was able to defeat him, and Kami is stronger than Piccolo Daimaô, so...

Because if he killed Daimao, then he would have killed himself. The two were opposite sides of the same being, remember? As far as I know, a Guardian can't kill himself, and killing Daimao would have more or less been killing himself as I see it.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:31 pm

I'm pretty sure the exploding scouter thing is a case of powers rising too rapidly, as Gamingdevil pointed out.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:12 pm

tealsmith wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:If Kami is supposed to guard the Earth, why didn't he kill Piccolo Daimaô the first time he started a rampage? No one was able to defeat him, and Kami is stronger than Piccolo Daimaô, so...
Because if he killed Daimao, then he would have killed himself. The two were opposite sides of the same being, remember? As far as I know, a Guardian can't kill himself, and killing Daimao would have more or less been killing himself as I see it.

He wanted to help Goku kill Piccolo many times in the 23rd Budôkai

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:05 pm

The Earth guardians job is to protect Earth. I take that as protecting the actual planet. Notice how he wasn't willing to merge with Piccolo to fight the Androids, but when he saw Cell he changed his mind.

My theroy is that he knew that Cell was a threat to the planet itself, while the androids only fought when they were attacked.

MyVisionity · Post by **MyVisionity** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:06 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
tealsmith wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:If Kami is supposed to guard the Earth, why didn't he kill Piccolo Daimaô the first time he started a rampage? No one was able to defeat him, and Kami is stronger than Piccolo Daimaô, so...
Because if he killed Daimao, then he would have killed himself. The two were opposite sides of the same being, remember? As far as I know, a Guardian can't kill himself, and killing Daimao would have more or less been killing himself as I see it.
He wanted to help Goku kill Piccolo many times in the 23rd Budôkai

Yeah but by then Kami-sama had lost his perspective.

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:57 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
tealsmith wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:If Kami is supposed to guard the Earth, why didn't he kill Piccolo Daimaô the first time he started a rampage? No one was able to defeat him, and Kami is stronger than Piccolo Daimaô, so...
Because if he killed Daimao, then he would have killed himself. The two were opposite sides of the same being, remember? As far as I know, a Guardian can't kill himself, and killing Daimao would have more or less been killing himself as I see it.
He wanted to help Goku kill Piccolo many times in the 23rd Budôkai

He wanted to HELP. There's a difference between helping and doing I suppose, if Goku had let him help in the fight, then I'm sure Kami would have had Goku use the finishing blow.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:01 pm

Okay, he actually tries to kill Piccolo after Goku defeats him.

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:10 pm

When his desperation rose, Son Goku's killing Piccolo was Kami's only option. But after Goku had defeated Piccolo, Kami saw an opportunity to finish off the demon once and for all, even if he would die as well.

As for Enma Daiou, this may be stretch but I always viewed it that Radditz was relieved of his body, but his soul tried to resist damnation.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:31 pm

I know that. But...

"Because if he killed Daimao, then he would have killed himself. The two were opposite sides of the same being, remember? As far as I know, a Guardian can't kill himself, and killing Daimao would have more or less been killing himself as I see it."

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:55 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Okay, he actually tries to kill Piccolo after Goku defeats him.

Huh, well that's odd. Forgot that

So either that means Guardians can kill themselves (and earlier when training Goku he had just meant it was improper to do so, and not impossible), he kind of went nuts and forgot, or Toriyama just forgot.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:07 pm

With that you know he was feeling bad for being responsible for the creation of the Great Demon King Piccolo in the first place. He said he didn't deserve to be Kami and go on living. That's when Master Roshi gave him the speech of how also with the one Dragon Ball, he was responsible for making it possible for the Great Demon King's defeat.

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