Pure Boo > Evil Boo or vice versa?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

This classical and never ending argument has been going on for god knows how long, and I am interested to round up everyone's opinions on which Boo you ultimately feel is the strongest (Not including the Gohan, Gotenks, and Piccolo absorbed ones).

To me good or bad, I think Pure Boo > Evil Boo for these reasons : When Son Goku and Vegeta were inside Boo's body finding the heroes pods, Son Goku knew that they were no match for Boohan, not to mention Bootenks. Son Goku constantly told Vegeta that they needed fusion to survive. When they finally found the pods that they were kept in, they tore them all out and Evil Boo immediately reverted back to his base state. Vegeta then wanted to blast his way out, but Goku was still paranoid and flat out says : Wait Vegeta, even though Boo's power has decreased dramatically, we are still simply no match for him. If we go outside "like this", we will be done in for sure.
Notice how he says "like this" which he was possibly referring to the microscopic state that they were in which causes their power to not be nearly as strong. When Vegeta threatens Evil boo he starts laughing and asks if he will turn back into the skinny grey boo? or be the fat "good" boo again, either way he would be far weaker than before. So he tears him out and they escape, Once they return to normal size, Son Goku and Vegeta celebrate and cheer that they are back to their original size (which is one of the clues that, SSJ3 Goku could actually handle Evil Boo if he went out at raw power).

Goku then says : Wait Vegeta, why is he getting stronger instead of weaker? NOTE: After Son Goku says that, it is NEVER EVER stated that his power went down and finally weaker. Next, once he reverts to the Original Pure Boo, they laugh at him "based on his size". However Kaioshin is pissing his pants, unlike what he did with Evil Boo. He calls Pure Boo the most "difficult/dangerous/troublesome" depending on which version you read, but he says Difficult in the anime. I know that "dangerous" doesn't necessarily mean stronger, but hey! it sometimes can and it was never stated that dangerous means weaker either, I mean Cell is more dangerous than Freeza right? Even though both wanted to own and destroy the entire universe.
Son Goku and Vegeta start shitting their pants towards Pure Boo's Blast that they ultimately admit that they cannot stop.

Continued on, when they are on Kaioshin's planet, they offer them the earrings, but they refuse and want to fight him as separate beings since Boo doesn't have the heroes absorbed anymore. Kaioshin "Japanese anime-wise", states "what are you doing, you will need those as this is Boo's most difficult/powerful state yet. Even though the Manga doesn't say powerful, there is still enough evidence to support it as Son Goku then states "When I fought the Fat Majin Boo I would have finished him off, however I intended the newer generation to handle things while I was dead". This right here to me proves that Son Goku was actually holding back his raw power until the final moment with Pure Boo. I mean against Boocollo, he said "Gohan would be able to take care of him now", but that could simply mean that Goku still wanted the newer generation like Gohan to finish him as it's not in Son Goku's place to finish him as it's Gohan's fight to handle, not Goku's. He was alive, but his plan was to fuse with Gohan against Bootenks, not Evil Boo. (as I said before, Son Goku's microscopic state inside Boo's body in my opinion restricted much of his power and he didn't know if he would or would not return back to normal size. which is why he stated that Evil Boo would simply own them).

So my conclusion in my power chart since Son Goku could have finished Pure Boo if he did not show off too much is : SSJ3 Goku (Raw Power) > Pure Boo > Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >= Evil Boo > SSJ Gotenks > Post ROSAT base Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku (Suppressed) >= Fat Boo > Good Fat Boo. My proof that Son Goku was massively suppressed is that Piccolo asks Goku : If you had "gone all out", do you think that you would have destroyed Majin Boo? and he replies by saying that he was unsure but then says it's ultimately not in his place to finish off Boo, as it's later established that he was stronger than Boo the whole time.

[Perfect]

In the manga the context refers to "dangerous" in the sense of lethality, being Pure Buu is more dangerous in the aspect that he's not mentally stable and would easily go on a rampage; whereas Evil or "Super" Buu wasn't that psychotic, comparing the time he spent on one planet to that of Pure Buu. Evil Buu was self contained and composed even without the intelligence of Piccolo and Gohan (Well compared to Pure Buu). Pure Buu on the other hand went on a sociopathic killing spree from planet to planet. He also had some sort of a speech impediment, I'm assuming he had some sort of mental retardation from being so blatantly insane.

We can take Vegeta out of the picture since he couldn't handle Majin Buu when he was innocent. From what I gather Goku's powers weren't really dwarfed inside of Buu's body. Given Buu with the advantage of appearing where ever he wanted in his body with multiple forms and the fact he was of the same stature of Goku and Vegeta in his body, there shouldn't be too big of a difference if they were big (Given nothing indicates they were made weaker in strength or that Buu had any advantages besides the above).

Though even if we're to disregard that argument since it's based on speculation, Buu's power did skyrocket because he regressed to his "South Kaioshin absorbed" state, and then to Pure Buu. It may never be stated to my knowledge that his power went down, but it wasn't exactly stated it went up after he transformed into his original Pure Buu form (Unless I'm mistaken, which I don't believe I am). I'd also wager that it's arguable they were laughing at size as well as his power (Vegeta really isn't that tall either and neither was Freeza, so I'd assume they'd know better than to base power upon one's physical stature). One could also argue Pure Buu hadn't shown his power until after they made fun of him (Which is true). However that can still be a case of knowing his power, but being it isn't to par with Evil Buu they wouldn't have much to worry about. With that said, it wasn't until Pure Buu started rage like a lunatic (Going hand in hand with the context of him being dangerous in terms of lethality because he's not mentally there) that everyone started to get scared. I mean, why wouldn't they be afraid, he's about to randomly blow up the planet. :p

That's just my take on it without seeing that portion of Buu's story arc in quite some time and really not reading that part of the manga in an even longer time-span.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

In the manga the context refers to "dangerous" in the sense of lethality, being Pure Buu is more dangerous in the aspect that he's not mentally stable and would easily go on a rampage; whereas Evil or "Super" Buu wasn't that psychotic, comparing the time he spent on one planet to that of Pure Buu. Evil Buu was self contained and composed even without the intelligence of Piccolo and Gohan (Well compared to Pure Buu). Pure Buu on the other hand went on a sociopathic killing spree from planet to planet. He also had some sort of a speech impediment, I'm assuming he had some sort of mental retardation from being so blatantly insane.

We can take Vegeta out of the picture since he couldn't handle Majin Buu when he was innocent. From what I gather Goku's powers weren't really dwarfed inside of Buu's body. Given Buu with the advantage of appearing where ever he wanted in his body with multiple forms and the fact he was of the same stature of Goku and Vegeta in his body, there shouldn't be too big of a difference if they were big (Given nothing indicates they were made weaker in strength or that Buu had any advantages besides the above).

Though even if we're to disregard that argument since it's based on speculation, Buu's power did skyrocket because he regressed to his "South Kaioshin absorbed" state, and then to Pure Buu. It may never be stated to my knowledge that his power went down, but it wasn't exactly stated it went up after he transformed into his original Pure Buu form (Unless I'm mistaken, which I don't believe I am). I'd also wager that it's arguable they were laughing at size as well as his power (Vegeta really isn't that tall either and neither was Freeza, so I'd assume they'd know better than to base power upon one's physical stature). One could also argue Pure Buu hadn't shown his power until after they made fun of him (Which is true). However that can still be a case of knowing his power, but being it isn't to par with Evil Buu they wouldn't have much to worry about. With that said, it wasn't until Pure Buu started rage like a lunatic (Going hand in hand with the context of him being dangerous in terms of lethality because he's not mentally there) that everyone started to get scared. I mean, why wouldn't they be afraid, he's about to randomly blow up the planet. :p

That's just my take on it without seeing that portion of Buu's story arc in quite some time and really not reading that part of the manga in an even longer time-span.

Yes but there is no Source for South Kaioshin, only Good Boo. Like I said though, Son Goku stated that "If we go outside like this we will be done in for sure". What do you suppose he means by "like this", I would assume their microscopic stature. I mean they can't blast their way out because it wouldn't work. He would have charged to ssj3 if that were the case but that would just waste energy. Once they are free and go back to normal stature, they start celebrating with relief. Perhaps the Japanese Anime explains it better. Also I just realized, in the manga, Son Goku was the one to actually state that Boo was getting stronger, "Hey vegeta...isn't he instead getting stronger?" ...continued on...He is that buffy Boo, Goku :"I really would wish he would stop that".

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In the manga the context refers to "dangerous" in the sense of lethality, being Pure Buu is more dangerous in the aspect that he's not mentally stable and would easily go on a rampage; whereas Evil or "Super" Buu wasn't that psychotic, comparing the time he spent on one planet to that of Pure Buu. Evil Buu was self contained and composed even without the intelligence of Piccolo and Gohan (Well compared to Pure Buu). Pure Buu on the other hand went on a sociopathic killing spree from planet to planet. He also had some sort of a speech impediment, I'm assuming he had some sort of mental retardation from being so blatantly insane.

We can take Vegeta out of the picture since he couldn't handle Majin Buu when he was innocent. From what I gather Goku's powers weren't really dwarfed inside of Buu's body. Given Buu with the advantage of appearing where ever he wanted in his body with multiple forms and the fact he was of the same stature of Goku and Vegeta in his body, there shouldn't be too big of a difference if they were big (Given nothing indicates they were made weaker in strength or that Buu had any advantages besides the above).

Though even if we're to disregard that argument since it's based on speculation, Buu's power did skyrocket because he regressed to his "South Kaioshin absorbed" state, and then to Pure Buu. It may never be stated to my knowledge that his power went down, but it wasn't exactly stated it went up after he transformed into his original Pure Buu form (Unless I'm mistaken, which I don't believe I am). I'd also wager that it's arguable they were laughing at size as well as his power (Vegeta really isn't that tall either and neither was Freeza, so I'd assume they'd know better than to base power upon one's physical stature). One could also argue Pure Buu hadn't shown his power until after they made fun of him (Which is true). However that can still be a case of knowing his power, but being it isn't to par with Evil Buu they wouldn't have much to worry about. With that said, it wasn't until Pure Buu started rage like a lunatic (Going hand in hand with the context of him being dangerous in terms of lethality because he's not mentally there) that everyone started to get scared. I mean, why wouldn't they be afraid, he's about to randomly blow up the planet. :p

That's just my take on it without seeing that portion of Buu's story arc in quite some time and really not reading that part of the manga in an even longer time-span.

Yes but there is no Source for South Kaioshin, only Good Boo. Like I said though, Son Goku stated that "If we go outside like this we will be done in for sure". What do you suppose he means by "like this", I would assume their microscopic stature. I mean they can't blast their way out because it wouldn't work. He would have charged to ssj3 if that were the case but that would just waste energy. Once they are free and go back to normal stature, they start celebrating with relief. Perhaps the Japanese Anime explains it better.

And what's the original Japanese text from the manga translated exactly to for the "like this" statement? If you would, I'd like the original Japanese wording to it so I can see what it is romanized to see if the wording can be mean multiple things or such things alike. I'd also take it if he did say that, he'd mean to be in their current state of power which would mean they'd get completely trashed since the fusion wore off. I also don't think they could blast their way out because Buu would just regenerate faster than their blast could do anything or it could be Buu's body has some nightmarish magic that weakens them in that sense. I really think Buu's body does play some importance on what's limited though what actually is limited isn't really specified in the manga, remember now that Vegetto even as a candy totally trashed Buu. (Given the whole argument is purely based on speculating the context). If they were to go free without taking Buu down a notch, they'd be done for unless Gohan would wake up.

What do you mean no "source"? Could you elaborate further upon that?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

In the manga the context refers to "dangerous" in the sense of lethality, being Pure Buu is more dangerous in the aspect that he's not mentally stable and would easily go on a rampage; whereas Evil or "Super" Buu wasn't that psychotic, comparing the time he spent on one planet to that of Pure Buu. Evil Buu was self contained and composed even without the intelligence of Piccolo and Gohan (Well compared to Pure Buu). Pure Buu on the other hand went on a sociopathic killing spree from planet to planet. He also had some sort of a speech impediment, I'm assuming he had some sort of mental retardation from being so blatantly insane.

We can take Vegeta out of the picture since he couldn't handle Majin Buu when he was innocent. From what I gather Goku's powers weren't really dwarfed inside of Buu's body. Given Buu with the advantage of appearing where ever he wanted in his body with multiple forms and the fact he was of the same stature of Goku and Vegeta in his body, there shouldn't be too big of a difference if they were big (Given nothing indicates they were made weaker in strength or that Buu had any advantages besides the above).

Though even if we're to disregard that argument since it's based on speculation, Buu's power did skyrocket because he regressed to his "South Kaioshin absorbed" state, and then to Pure Buu. It may never be stated to my knowledge that his power went down, but it wasn't exactly stated it went up after he transformed into his original Pure Buu form (Unless I'm mistaken, which I don't believe I am). I'd also wager that it's arguable they were laughing at size as well as his power (Vegeta really isn't that tall either and neither was Freeza, so I'd assume they'd know better than to base power upon one's physical stature). One could also argue Pure Buu hadn't shown his power until after they made fun of him (Which is true). However that can still be a case of knowing his power, but being it isn't to par with Evil Buu they wouldn't have much to worry about. With that said, it wasn't until Pure Buu started rage like a lunatic (Going hand in hand with the context of him being dangerous in terms of lethality because he's not mentally there) that everyone started to get scared. I mean, why wouldn't they be afraid, he's about to randomly blow up the planet. :p

That's just my take on it without seeing that portion of Buu's story arc in quite some time and really not reading that part of the manga in an even longer time-span.

Yes but there is no Source for South Kaioshin, only Good Boo. Like I said though, Son Goku stated that "If we go outside like this we will be done in for sure". What do you suppose he means by "like this", I would assume their microscopic stature. I mean they can't blast their way out because it wouldn't work. He would have charged to ssj3 if that were the case but that would just waste energy. Once they are free and go back to normal stature, they start celebrating with relief. Perhaps the Japanese Anime explains it better.

And what's the original Japanese text from the manga translated exactly to for the "like this" statement? If you would, I'd like the original Japanese wording to it so I can see what it is romanized to see if the wording can be mean multiple things or such things alike. I'd also take it if he did say that, he'd mean to be in their current state of power which would mean they'd get completely trashed since the fusion wore off. I also don't think they could blast their way out because Buu would just regenerate faster than their blast could do anything or it could be Buu's body has some nightmarish magic that weakens them in that sense (Given the whole argument is purely based on speculating the context). If they were to go free without taking Buu down a notch, they'd be done for unless Gohan would wake up.

What do you mean no "source"? Could you elaborate further upon that?

Of course, South Kaioshin is inside the Good majin boo along with the fat one. So how could he logically go back to being the previous state back when Pure Boo absorbed both the kaioshins. Check Herms strength checker, he even agrees that they are laughing based off of Boo's size.
Here is the Japanese quote from the Manga that is shown from Herms strength comparisons : "Wait Vegeta, Even though Boo's power has decreased dramatically, we are still simply no match for him, if we go outside "like this", we will be done in for sure."

[CaBrPi]

I think Pure (Kid) Boo is only stronger than base Evil (Super) Boo.

We know that Pure Boo is stronger than Mr. Boo, from the fight on the Kaioshin planet.

However, we know that Pure/Ultra Boo (South Kaioshin absorbed) became Mr. Boo after he absorbed Daikaioshin, from the anime. We also know from East Kaioshin's statements that Mr. Boo was weaker than Pure Boo.

So, if Daikaioshin's influence is what weakened Pure Boo in the first place, then it stands to reason that removing that influence entirely would bring return Boo to his former strength, and that's exactly what we see when Vegeta removes Mr. Boo's cocoon from Evil Boo's head.

However, Gohan, after having his potential drawn out by the Elder Kaioshin, far exceeds Evil Boo's abilities, which is what drove Evil Boo to absorb Gotenks and Piccolo. Evil Boo (with Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed) demonstrated power exceeding even Gohan's. And when Evil Boo absorbed Gohan, he became even more powerful.

Notice that Vegeta only noted that Boo's ki levels were rising after he removed Mr. Boo's cocoon. So it stands to reason that Vegeta was stating that Boo's ki levels were rising after having dropped significantly, with the removal of Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo. We can assume that Boo's ki levels had dropped after his guests' removal because of Boo's reaction to his reversion to his previous form (Evil Boo).

So I believe that Boo's power is thus (from most to least powerful):

Evil Boo (w/Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks)
Evil Boo (w/SSj3 Gotenks and Piccolo)
Evil Boo (w/ Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo)
Pure Boo (w/ South Kaioshin)
Pure Boo
Evil Boo (w/Mr. Boo)
Mr. Boo (Pure Boo w/South Kaioshin and Daikaioshin)
Pure Evil Boo (the gray one)
Mr. Boo (w/Daikaioshin, after expelling Pure Evil Boo)

The only hole here is the fate of South Kaioshin. We can only reason that he ended up in the Pure Evil Boo, because Evil Boo reverted to that form shortly before reverting completely to Pure Boo.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I think Pure (Kid) Boo is only stronger than base Evil (Super) Boo.

We know that Pure Boo is stronger than Mr. Boo, from the fight on the Kaioshin planet.

However, we know that Pure/Ultra Boo (South Kaioshin absorbed) became Mr. Boo after he absorbed Daikaioshin, from the anime. We also know from East Kaioshin's statements that Mr. Boo was weaker than Pure Boo.

So, if Daikaioshin's influence is what weakened Pure Boo in the first place, then it stands to reason that removing that influence entirely would bring return Boo to his former strength, and that's exactly what we see when Vegeta removes Mr. Boo's cocoon from Evil Boo's head.

However, Gohan, after having his potential drawn out by the Elder Kaioshin, far exceeds Evil Boo's abilities, which is what drove Evil Boo to absorb Gotenks and Piccolo. Evil Boo (with Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed) demonstrated power exceeding even Gohan's. And when Evil Boo absorbed Gohan, he became even more powerful.

Notice that Vegeta only noted that Boo's ki levels were rising after he removed Mr. Boo's cocoon. So it stands to reason that Vegeta was stating that Boo's ki levels were rising after having dropped significantly, with the removal of Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo. We can assume that Boo's ki levels had dropped after his guests' removal because of Boo's reaction to his reversion to his previous form (Evil Boo).

So I believe that Boo's power is thus (from most to least powerful):

Evil Boo (w/Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks)
Evil Boo (w/SSj3 Gotenks and Piccolo)
Evil Boo (w/ Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo)
Pure Boo (w/ South Kaioshin)
Pure Boo
Evil Boo (w/Mr. Boo)
Mr. Boo (Pure Boo w/South Kaioshin and Daikaioshin)
Pure Evil Boo (the gray one)
Mr. Boo (w/Daikaioshin, after expelling Pure Evil Boo)

The only hole here is the fate of South Kaioshin. We can only reason that he ended up in the Pure Evil Boo, because Evil Boo reverted to that form shortly before reverting completely to Pure Boo.

Slight mistake, it was Son Goku that stated that Boo's power was increasing in the Manga. "Vegeta....isn't he instead getting stronger?"

[Fox666]

If Evil Boo ended with the South Kaioshin, he would be found by Goku and Vegeta. Since there was only the fat Majin Boo there, it means South Kaioshin was still inside him.

Evil Boo reverted to his South Kaioshin-absorbed form because he was gradually transforming back in Pure Boo.

[CaBrPi]

If Evil Boo ended with the South Kaioshin, he would be found by Goku and Vegeta. Since there was only the fat Majin Boo there, it means South Kaioshin was still inside him.

Evil Boo reverted to his South Kaioshin-absorbed form because he was gradually transforming back in Pure Boo.

But wouldn't he simply return to Pure Boo if he didn't still have South Kaioshin absorbed? I mean, its not like Evil Boo went from his Gohan form to his Piccolo form to his Gotenks form, and then to his base form.

Besides, we don't know how Boo's absorption works. South Kaioshin could've been completely absorbed into Boo's body during the millions of years he was alive.

Also, I know it's only filler, but neither Daikaioshin nor South Kaioshin were seen by Mr. Satan and Pan when Mr. Boo absorbed them to protect them from Baby.

[Perfect]

Of course, South Kaioshin is inside the Good majin boo along with the fat one. So how could he logically go back to being the previous state back when Pure Boo absorbed both the kaioshins. Check Herms strength checker, he even agrees that they are laughing based off of Boo's size.
Here is the Japanese quote from the Manga that is shown from Herms strength comparisons : "Wait Vegeta, Even though Boo's power has decreased dramatically, we are still simply no match for him, if we go outside "like this", we will be done in for sure."

Okay, I think I see what you mean.
Good Buu - absorbed South Kaioshin+Dai Kaioshin, and by saying this you're meaning that since those two are inside Good Buu, then how would Pure Buu have them in his system?

Well it's not like the South Kaioshin is exclusively inside Good Buu to our knowledge, his strength could have been harvested (His character as well, either or) into Evil Buu when Good Buu was eaten. What I see is, the line is so blurred for what character is inside of Buu, it's hard to make heads or tails of what. The evidence towards Pure Buu+South Kaioshin is really coming from here:
http://imageftw.com/uploads/20111011/061.jpg
http://imageftw.com/uploads/20111011/062.jpg

It's also very possible that Pure Buu is only a little stronger than Evil Buu (Anime wise), but no where near with his absorptions, though I don't find that viable in all honesty.
Laughing at his size sure, but they don't seem at all worried about his power (I'm sure if he demonstrated a high as hell power like Freeza did in the start, they wouldn't feel so nonchalant to laugh at his size). In other words they wouldn't laugh if Buu was really as strong as you're making him out to be. From what I gather based on the manga,

Page 63:
Vegeta and Goku laugh at the newly formed Buu.
Fused Eastern Kaioshin, whatever you wanna call him, looks on in fear as he realizes this is the original Buu that caused him so much trouble, the most lethal/insane.

Page 64:
Fused Eastern Kaioshin, whatever you wanna call him, tells the story of the original Buu and how he absorbed/killed the Kaioshins.

Page 65:
Pure Buu makes an irritating sound that causes Goku and Vegeta to cover their ears.

Page 66:
Goku and Vegeta exert their first sign of being worried as Buu randomly blasts the ground that they block.

Page 67:
Both Goku and Vegeta are stunned at how spontaneous Buu is and Vegeta gets pissed off.

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Vegeta smirks confidently at Buu and Buu smirks back. Buu, like the bastard he is, generates a planet destroying ball of chi that scares the hell out of Goku and Vegeta.

From what I see in the statement about Buu's power decreasing, it's in terms of without the fusion. I don't think they were under the impression they'd remain small still (Unless something afterwards when they get out specifically says they were, which would be in the image below; though I don't see any mention of it).
http://imageftw.com/uploads/20111011/058.jpg

[jjgp1112]

Kid Buu being stronger than Super Buu would cause way too many contradictions in the story, for one thing. Why would Goku flat out say he couldn't take Super Buu, but then fight evenly with someone supposedly stronger than him? That don't make no sense, Jethro.

Majin Buu basically works like this:

First, you have Kid Buu. He absorbs South Supreme Kai and becomes the ultra strong hulking Buu. Then, he absorbs the Grand Supreme Kai or whatever, and becomes the fat turd, and his good influence holds back his power gained from South Supreme Kai.

However, when Fat Buu is overcome with rage, he releases and it manifests itself into Evil Buu. Mr. Buu is stated to have lost more than half of his power from this. When Evil Buu eats Fat Buu, it's not your standard Buu absorption because Evil Boo isn't a new form of Buu - it's the manifestation of Fat Buu's evil. When he eats Fat Buu, he turns into Super Buu, which is essentially Fat Buu but in reverse. He has more access to South Supreme Kai's power since the evil is in control, but the still lingering Grand Supreme Kai holds him back from its FULL power.

When Fat Buu is removed from Super Buu, this causes Buu to lose the two kai absorptions - when he became the big hulking Buu, it was likely because he lost the fat Kai first. So Kid Buu would then basically be the purest form of Buu - weaker, but without all of the absorptions. And more dangerous because he's a fucking ax crazy lunatic.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Kid Buu being stronger than Super Buu would cause way too many contradictions in the story, for one thing. Why would Goku flat out say he couldn't take Super Buu, but then fight evenly with someone supposedly stronger than him? That don't make no sense, Jethro.

Majin Buu basically works like this:

First, you have Kid Buu. He absorbs South Supreme Kai and becomes the ultra strong hulking Buu. Then, he absorbs the Grand Supreme Kai or whatever, and becomes the fat turd, and his good influence holds back his power gained from South Supreme Kai.

However, when Fat Buu is overcome with rage, he releases and it manifests itself into Evil Buu. Mr. Buu is stated to have lost more than half of his power from this. When Evil Buu eats Fat Buu, it's not your standard Buu absorption because Evil Boo isn't a new form of Buu - it's the manifestation of Fat Buu's evil. When he eats Fat Buu, he turns into Super Buu, which is essentially Fat Buu but in reverse. He has more access to South Supreme Kai's power since the evil is in control, but the still lingering Grand Supreme Kai holds him back from its FULL power.

When Fat Buu is removed from Super Buu, this causes Buu to lose the two kai absorptions - when he became the big hulking Buu, it was likely because he lost the fat Kai first. So Kid Buu would then basically be the purest form of Buu - weaker, but without all of the absorptions. And more dangerous because he's a fucking ax crazy lunatic.

I don't think it would cause contradictions, Goku flat out said that if they went outside to face super boo "in the state that they were in", they would be done in. They were the size of fleas and had no idea they would go back to normal size, and once they did, Son Goku started celebrating. They were inside Boo's head so technically, Boo's imaginations override them.

[Kaboom]

With Evil Boo, Goku insists that Boo is stronger than either himself or Vegeta, and will definitely kill them. He uses "like this," but it seems obvious that by that he means "un-fused," given that's what he and Vegeta then start talking about, and continue talking about later all throughout the segment inside of Boo. Heck, I don't think either one of them even mentions their size.

Then when Boo is in the middle of reverting, and momentarily in his "buff" form, they comment on how his Ki is rising... and then as soon as he's finished becoming Pure Boo, they're suddenly laughing and confident they can take him. Yes, Vegeta uses "little" to describe Boo specifically in regard to his size. But that doesn't mean he and Goku are both suddenly idiots and unable to sense Ki like they were a minute before, and now ONLY noticing his size. Boo's Ki must have certainly shrunk as well.

Even later after Boo's shown what he can really do (proving at least that Goku with his SSj3 is the only one of the two who can fight him), they're still both convinced that Goku can get the job done. This is never redacted or disproven, and the only thing that prevents it from happening is SSj3's power drain getting the best of Goku.

So really, the manga makes it rather clear that the Evil Boo is the stronger of the two, so long as you don't overthink everything. The anime, on the other hand...

Last but not least, taking this all into account, Gotenks at Super Saiyan 1 can't be already comparable or stronger to SSj2 Goku, but weaker than SSj3 Goku with his own Super Saiyan 3. Not by the official multipliers anyway...

SSj2 Goku - 10
SSj3 Goku (holding back) - 20
SSj3 Goku (full power) - 40?
SSj3 Goku (against Pure Boo) - 100?

SSj Gotenks - 20
SSj3 Gotenks - 80?

Does not compute.

[FNF]

Kid Buu being stronger than Super Buu would cause way too many contradictions in the story, for one thing. Why would Goku flat out say he couldn't take Super Buu, but then fight evenly with someone supposedly stronger than him? That don't make no sense, Jethro.

Majin Buu basically works like this:

First, you have Kid Buu. He absorbs South Supreme Kai and becomes the ultra strong hulking Buu. Then, he absorbs the Grand Supreme Kai or whatever, and becomes the fat turd, and his good influence holds back his power gained from South Supreme Kai.

However, when Fat Buu is overcome with rage, he releases and it manifests itself into Evil Buu. Mr. Buu is stated to have lost more than half of his power from this. When Evil Buu eats Fat Buu, it's not your standard Buu absorption because Evil Boo isn't a new form of Buu - it's the manifestation of Fat Buu's evil. When he eats Fat Buu, he turns into Super Buu, which is essentially Fat Buu but in reverse. He has more access to South Supreme Kai's power since the evil is in control, but the still lingering Grand Supreme Kai holds him back from its FULL power.

When Fat Buu is removed from Super Buu, this causes Buu to lose the two kai absorptions - when he became the big hulking Buu, it was likely because he lost the fat Kai first. So Kid Buu would then basically be the purest form of Buu - weaker, but without all of the absorptions. And more dangerous because he's a fucking ax crazy lunatic.

I don't think it would cause contradictions, Goku flat out said that if they went outside to face super boo "in the state that they were in", they would be done in. They were the size of fleas and had no idea they would go back to normal size, and once they did, Son Goku started celebrating. They were inside Boo's head so technically, Boo's imaginations override them.

'Like this' is purely referring to them as not fused.

You are failing to remember that after Goku says;
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”
he says;
Goku: “…But there is one way we can win!” *then talks about fusion with Vegeta*.

Goku is far weaker than Evil Buu, Goku is equal/slightly stronger than Kid Buu, Evil Buu is far stronger than Kid Buu. Simple as that.

Put into a chain;

Mightiest Warrior Gohan>/<Hypothetical Gogeta>Evil Buu ~ SSjin3 Gotenks>>>SSjin3 Goku>=Kid Buu.

[jjgp1112]

Yeah, it'd be pretty dumb if they were solely referring to their size. They almost immediately start talking about how they have to fuse and all of that mumbo jumbo. It's not like they appeared to be all that surprised when they popped back to regular size. I think you're looking way too far into things and overanalyzing the statements.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Kaboom]

If you were to take all of this into consideration, what would the chain look from strongest to weakest?

More or less the same way FNF already put it. Making "chains" like this is normally a bit frowned upon here, but since it's for the sake of demonstration and was already explained in more detail...

Super Gogeta / Ultimate Gohan > SSj3 Gotenks > Evil Boo > Pure Boo

[OWmyDragonBallz]

With Evil Boo, Goku insists that Boo is stronger than either himself or Vegeta, and will definitely kill them. He uses "like this," but it seems obvious that by that he means "un-fused," given that's what he and Vegeta then start talking about, and continue talking about later all throughout the segment inside of Boo. Heck, I don't think either one of them even mentions their size.

Then when Boo is in the middle of reverting, and momentarily in his "buff" form, they comment on how his Ki is rising... and then as soon as he's finished becoming Pure Boo, they're suddenly laughing and confident they can take him. Yes, Vegeta uses "little" to describe Boo specifically in regard to his size. But that doesn't mean he and Goku are both suddenly idiots and unable to sense Ki like they were a minute before, and now ONLY noticing his size. Boo's Ki must have certainly shrunk as well.

Even later after Boo's shown what he can really do (proving at least that Goku with his SSj3 is the only one of the two who can fight him), they're still both convinced that Goku can get the job done. This is never redacted or disproven, and the only thing that prevents it from happening is SSj3's power drain getting the best of Goku.

So really, the manga makes it rather clear that the Evil Boo is the stronger of the two, so long as you don't overthink everything. The anime, on the other hand...

Last but not least, taking this all into account, Gotenks at Super Saiyan 1 can't be already comparable or stronger to SSj2 Goku, but weaker than SSj3 Goku with his own Super Saiyan 3. Not by the official multipliers anyway...

SSj2 Goku - 10
SSj3 Goku (holding back) - 20
SSj3 Goku (full power) - 40?
SSj3 Goku (against Pure Boo) - 100?

SSj Gotenks - 20
SSj3 Gotenks - 80?

Does not compute.

Gotenks as a ssj1 Pre Rosat was enough to take out Fat Majin Boo whereas ssj2 Goku admits he is no match for, SSJ gotenks > SSJ2 goku

[CaBrPi]

Ah, it does make sense that Boo's ki grew when he transformed into the "Ultra" Boo form, and then shrunk again.

Didn't take that into account.

[CatouttaHell]

Pure Boo isn't even anywhere near Base Gotenks' level, let alone Evil Boo's level. Goku said SSjin Gotenks (Pre) would be stronger than him and it was never contradicted, making it a fact.

When Evil Boo appears Piccolo doesn't think Gotenks has a chance at winning right off the bat and sends him into the RoSaT. Base Gotenks (Post) is then stated to blow Piccolo's expectations for SSjin Gotenks out of the water.

Yet despite all of this power, he still requires going all the way up to SSjin 3 before he can beat Evil Boo, and even then Boo puts up a bit of a fight.

Nothing implies Pure Boo was holding back some insane amount of power either. The only reason Son lost was because of the strain of SSjin 3.

Pure Boo was clearly struggling with him and even had to resort to using his Candy Beam at one point. Not something you'd expect from somebody who is supposedly toying around.

SSjin 3 Gotenks > Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (Post) > Base Gotenks (Post) > SSjin Gotenks (Pre) > SSjin 3 Goku > Pure Boo

Pure Boo isn't even a thousandth as powerful as Evil Boo realistically.