No, SSJ Vegetto is not that strong.

daveslaine2770 · Post by **daveslaine2770** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:05 am

I remember reading somewhere that Vegeta x Goku = Vegito.

Now that obviously just cant be.

Lets just for a moment assume that Goku's power farted and he was at 3,000,000 base before fusing, as well as Vegeta.

Lets say both are 3,000,000, and I know, power levels are a bit stupid after Frieza's one million, but bear with me.

3,000,000 squared equals 9,000,000,000,000

You cant possibly believe that, considering that super buu was doing slight damage, meaning that Vegito probably for sure had to be at the very least 10 to 15 times stronger, but not that ridiculously stronger. I mean if Super buu was 10, than Vegito would be 150. In dragonball, that 150 would be God compared to the 10.

But we know that Goku and Vegeta at base were at least at the bare minimum, 100,000,000 or more. Meaning, Vegito would equal 10,000,000,000,000,000, which is lol.

In all honesty, I think SSJ Vegito could take on a SSJ4 and win being twice as strong, but against SSJ4 Gogeta, he would get destroyed.

SSJ4 Vegito, well, thats when you can brag about Vegito being God, but Vegito is overrated.

In fact, in all movies seen, the only movie that featured an enemy far beyond anyone was in Movie 3. Tullece ate one piece of fruit, and he made 20x kaioken look like a fly. Meaning, in Movie 3, the enemy was at least 50 to 60 times stronger. Vegito was not 50 or 60 times stronger than Gohan Buu.

lash · Post by **lash** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:38 am

I read the paragraph. But I'm still waiting for the part where you'll actually give a viable reason why "Vegeta x Goku = Vegetto" can't be. One without...you know, just opinions.
I don't see any issue with Vegetto being in the quadrillions or higher.

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:01 am

daveslaine2770 wrote:I remember reading somewhere that Vegeta x Goku = Vegito.

Now that obviously just cant be.

Lets just for a moment assume that Goku's power farted and he was at 3,000,000 base before fusing, as well as Vegeta.

Lets say both are 3,000,000, and I know, power levels are a bit stupid after Freeza's one million, but bear with me.

3,000,000 squared equals 9,000,000,000,000

You cant possibly believe that, considering that super buu was doing slight damage, meaning that Vegito probably for sure had to be at the very least 10 to 15 times stronger, but not that ridiculously stronger. I mean if Super buu was 10, than Vegito would be 150. In dragonball, that 150 would be God compared to the 10.

The thing is though is that Buu didn't do any damage to Vegetto at any point during their fight. The only attacks that Vegetto let land on him were ones that he intentionally allowed himself to get hit by, and none of them did any noticeable damage to him whatsoever.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:26 am

Vegetto wasn't trying to destroy Buu. His plan was to get inside him and rescue everyone, and he bullied him and shrugged off his attacks just enough to make him realize that his only hope of victory was absorption. In other words, we never actually see Vegetto fight for real, so there's nothing stopping his battle power from being some absurdly huge number.

Since no one's mentioned it yet, the "Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto" thing is from one of the Super Exciting Guides. The paragraph itself just says that Potara fusion isn't an addition of battle powers, but something as great as multiplication, and the aforementioned..."formula", for lack of a better word, is an illustration on the page. Whether it should be taken literally or not may be arguable, but that doesn't make it impossible either.

FNF · Post by **FNF** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:45 pm

SSjin Vegetto could disintegrate Gohan-Boo with what looked like a generic shockwave-type technique. Nuff said.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:01 pm

Like it or not, in the manga, he is the ultimate being. But in the anime, it's SSJ4 Gogeta.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:05 pm

Vegetto got turned into a candy and still beat the shit out of Buu.

CatouttaHell · Post by **CatouttaHell** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:29 pm

Gohan-Boo >= Base Vegetto is implied unless you go by the Anime...

The multiplier just doesn't work unless you have ridiculously minimalist numbers, have Base Gotenks like 10,000x SSjin 3 Goku (which is possible but still insane,) or just assume Base Vegetto wasn't aware that he was 1,000x or whatever stronger than Gohan-Boo.

There's other instances of somebody transforming when they have no reason to (Vegeta going SSjinG2 against Second-Cell) so it's possible Base Vegetto >> Gohan-Boo, though still unlikely to be by a huge amount.

GT implies: SSjin Vegetto > Vegeta-Baby > SSjin 3 Goku (Baby arc) > Base Goku (Baby arc) > Base Goku (M2) > General Rild > Sigma Bots > SSjin Goku (M2) > Base Goku (Beginning of GT) > SSjin 3 Goku (Boo arc) so that may imply that Base Vegetto is a good deal above Gohan-Boo.

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:45 pm

You are assuming we know the battle powers of the characters at that point in the series. However there is no official note against Evil Boo battle power being one septendecillion.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:50 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:Gohan-Boo >= Base Vegetto is implied unless you go by the Anime...

The multiplier just doesn't work unless you have ridiculously minimalist numbers, have Base Gotenks like 10,000x SSjin 3 Goku (which is possible but still insane,) or just assume Base Vegetto wasn't aware that he was 1,000x or whatever stronger than Gohan-Boo.

There's other instances of somebody transforming when they have no reason to (Vegeta going SSjinG2 against Second-Cell) so it's possible Base Vegetto >> Gohan-Boo, though still unlikely to be by a huge amount.

GT implies: SSjin Vegetto > Vegeta-Baby > SSjin 3 Goku (Baby arc) > Base Goku (Baby arc) > Base Goku (M2) > General Rild > Sigma Bots > SSjin Goku (M2) > Base Goku (Beginning of GT) > SSjin 3 Goku (Boo arc) so that may imply that Base Vegetto is a good deal above Gohan-Boo.

Not all fusion is equal... and Potarra fusion is a different beat to the fusion dance.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:54 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:Gohan-Boo >= Base Vegetto is implied unless you go by the Anime...

The multiplier just doesn't work unless you have ridiculously minimalist numbers, have Base Gotenks like 10,000x SSjin 3 Goku (which is possible but still insane,) or just assume Base Vegetto wasn't aware that he was 1,000x or whatever stronger than Gohan-Boo.

There's other instances of somebody transforming when they have no reason to (Vegeta going SSjinG2 against Second-Cell) so it's possible Base Vegetto >> Gohan-Boo, though still unlikely to be by a huge amount.

GT implies: SSjin Vegetto > Vegeta-Baby > SSjin 3 Goku (Baby arc) > Base Goku (Baby arc) > Base Goku (M2) > General Rild > Sigma Bots > SSjin Goku (M2) > Base Goku (Beginning of GT) > SSjin 3 Goku (Boo arc) so that may imply that Base Vegetto is a good deal above Gohan-Boo.

How does GT imply that SS Vegetto > everyone you listed?

And where does it say Vegeta didn't need SSg2 against Semi-Perfect Cell?

FNF · Post by **FNF** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:56 pm

Saiga wrote: How does GT imply that SS Vegetto > everyone you listed?

Super Vegeta Baby 2 is basically said to be strongest character (ie stronger than SSjin Vegetto).

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:11 pm

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we pay no mind to GT with these sort of things.

CaBrPi · Post by **CaBrPi** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:42 pm

Kaboom wrote:And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we pay no mind to GT with these sort of things.

Indeed.

The fact is, Vegetto was playing with Gohan-Boo, so we really have no idea just how much stronger he was. Ignoring anime filler (which is the general trend around here), you could even make the case to say that regular Vegetto probably could've been enough to beat Gohan-Boo.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:51 pm

CaBrPi wrote:
Kaboom wrote:And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we pay no mind to GT with these sort of things.
Indeed.

The fact is, Vegetto was playing with Gohan-Boo, so we really have no idea just how much stronger he was. Ignoring anime filler (which is the general trend around here), you could even make the case to say that regular Vegetto probably could've been enough to beat Gohan-Boo.

What? Isn't the anime filler the only indication that base Vegetto could fight with Gohan-Boo?

dbgtFO · Post by **dbgtFO** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:52 pm

Saiga wrote: What? Isn't the anime filler the only indication that base Vegetto could fight with Gohan-Boo?

It is. The manga didn't indicate anything about Vegetto's regular state other than Buu being shocked, when they formed.

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:02 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
Saiga wrote:What? Isn't the anime filler the only indication that base Vegetto could fight with Gohan-Boo?
It is. The manga didn't indicate anything about Vegetto's regular state other than Buu being shocked, when they formed.

Yeah, the filler is really the only indicator. Had I only read the manga, I'd probably assume that base Vegetto was weaker than "Ultimate" Buu based on how things played out. Though I wouldn't necessarily dismiss any opinions that said base Vegetto could handle Buu and he only transformed as a safety net.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:11 pm

Vegetto exists in a state beyond such things as "transformations" or "power levels". What seems to be him using Super Saiyan was merely Buu's mind attempting to make sense of Vegetto's glory.

dbgtFO · Post by **dbgtFO** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:15 pm

@TheDevilsCorpse
Yeah, personally I accept the theory, that regular Vegetto could in fact do it, but to cut his assistant some slack, AT made Vegetto go Super Saiyan, so he didn't have to color his hair in for several pages

This also explains why Goku and Vegeta pointlessly went Super Saiyans inside of Buu, when confronted by him, since then the assistant didn't have to color their hair in for another bunch of pages.

CaBrPi · Post by **CaBrPi** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:16 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Saiga wrote:What? Isn't the anime filler the only indication that base Vegetto could fight with Gohan-Boo?
It is. The manga didn't indicate anything about Vegetto's regular state other than Buu being shocked, when they formed.
Yeah, the filler is really the only indicator. Had I only read the manga, I'd probably assume that base Vegetto was weaker than "Ultimate" Buu based on how things played out. Though I wouldn't necessarily dismiss any opinions that said base Vegetto could handle Buu and he only transformed as a safety net.

That's what I meant. Even discounting filler, there's nothing saying that Vegetto couldn't have handled Gohan-Boo in his normal state.

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