Techincally Kai is completely pointless.

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Techincally Kai is completely pointless.

Post by TVfan721 » Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:49 pm

The whole purpose of Kai was that it would be the Dragon Ball anime 100% like the manga but they still kept some filler and removed some actual stuff that was in the manga. Since they did that, what's the point to any of this? They can't actually say that Kai is filler free and kept exactly like the manga. Since it's not compleltely accurate like it should be, it makes Kai serve no point really. It's a shame too cause it had so much potential.

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Post by Pokewhiz7 » Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:07 pm

tvfan721 wrote:The whole purpose of Kai was that it would be the Dragon Ball anime 100% like the manga but they still kept some filler and removed some actual stuff that was in the manga. Since they did that, what's the point to any of this? They can't actually say that Kai is filler free and kept exactly like the manga. Since it's not compleltely accurate like it should be, it makes Kai serve no point really. It's a shame too cause it had so much potential.
It's still closer to the manga. Even with small amounts of filler left in and small amounts of canon material removed, it's much closer than Z ever was. Just because you got a 96% on a project and not 100% doesn't mean you failed.

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Post by Savage68 » Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:21 pm

I think it's just that Kai was edited so that it resembles the manga more than DBZ does. And I guess that holds true when you go through the general outline of the show (besides the missing ending), but I definitely feel like I'm just watching a strange iteration of Z when I watch Kai. It's probably the constant barrage of redrawn stuff that ruins the illusion more than anything else.

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Post by TVfan721 » Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:24 pm

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tvfan721 wrote:The whole purpose of Kai was that it would be the Dragon Ball anime 100% like the manga but they still kept some filler and removed some actual stuff that was in the manga. Since they did that, what's the point to any of this? They can't actually say that Kai is filler free and kept exactly like the manga. Since it's not compleltely accurate like it should be, it makes Kai serve no point really. It's a shame too cause it had so much potential.
It's still closer to the manga. Even with small amounts of filler left in and small amounts of canon material removed, it's much closer than Z ever was. Just because you got a 96% on a project and not 100% doesn't mean you failed.
Yes, it is a fail because you still end up with the same result as Z. It's like saying Season 4 of the English dub is better than Season 3, who cares when both seasons still suck in terms of dubbing.

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Post by Bussani » Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:45 pm

tvfan721 wrote:Yes, it is a fail because you still end up with the same result as Z. It's like saying Season 4 of the English dub is better than Season 3, who cares when both seasons still suck in terms of dubbing.
So if you improve something, but don't make it perfect, then nobody cares? You might think that way, but I don't think everyone does. Frankly, if it weren't for some of the odd redrawn bits and the missing ending, I'd prefer to watch Kai over Z just for the better pace and the fact that it would take much less time to get through.
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Post by CaBrPi » Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:07 pm

Have you ever watched the Namek arc of the original Z anime? The Kai version covers all of it in about half the time.

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Post by Pokewhiz7 » Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:12 pm

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tvfan721 wrote:The whole purpose of Kai was that it would be the Dragon Ball anime 100% like the manga but they still kept some filler and removed some actual stuff that was in the manga. Since they did that, what's the point to any of this? They can't actually say that Kai is filler free and kept exactly like the manga. Since it's not compleltely accurate like it should be, it makes Kai serve no point really. It's a shame too cause it had so much potential.
It's still closer to the manga. Even with small amounts of filler left in and small amounts of canon material removed, it's much closer than Z ever was. Just because you got a 96% on a project and not 100% doesn't mean you failed.
Yes, it is a fail because you still end up with the same result as Z. It's like saying Season 4 of the English dub is better than Season 3, who cares when both seasons still suck in terms of dubbing.
From the time Goku arrives on Namek until he defeats Freeza in Kai is 23 episodes. In Z, it's 40 episodes. How is that the same result.

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Post by Codarik » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:26 pm

Kai became pointless to me after it was confirmed it wasn't going to cover the Buu arc. What's the point in watching an incomplete series? Like or hate the Buu arc it is part of the story. You can't just ignore it.

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Post by AgitoZ » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:28 pm

Codarik wrote:Kai became pointless to me after it was confirmed it wasn't going to cover the Buu arc. What's the point in watching an incomplete series? Like or hate the Buu arc it is part of the story. You can't just ignore it.
Wouldn't that logic make Dragon Ball or Z pointless by themselves?
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Post by Ani-Nation7 » Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:19 pm

What's the point of Kai? We only got the Saiyan-End of Cell arc with 90% of the filler cut and a superior English Dub. I mean it's just impossible to buy the Buu Saga separately.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:21 am

Want to see DBZ without filler? READ THE MANGA!!!
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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:57 am

tvfan721 wrote:The whole purpose of Kai was that it would be the Dragon Ball anime 100% like the manga but they still kept some filler and removed some actual stuff that was in the manga. Since they did that, what's the point to any of this? They can't actually say that Kai is filler free and kept exactly like the manga. Since it's not compleltely accurate like it should be, it makes Kai serve no point really. It's a shame too cause it had so much potential.
I think the Japanese version is pointless. But, as far as Dragon Ball Z Kai is concerned, it gave America (and other regions in the World) the chance to get a new, more faithful dub of DBZ without actually being DBZ.

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Post by Pokewhiz7 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:06 am

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:
tvfan721 wrote:The whole purpose of Kai was that it would be the Dragon Ball anime 100% like the manga but they still kept some filler and removed some actual stuff that was in the manga. Since they did that, what's the point to any of this? They can't actually say that Kai is filler free and kept exactly like the manga. Since it's not compleltely accurate like it should be, it makes Kai serve no point really. It's a shame too cause it had so much potential.
I think the Japanese version is pointless. But, as far as Dragon Ball Z Kai is concerned, it gave America (and other regions in the World) the chance to get a new, more faithful dub of DBZ without actually being DBZ.
I dunno. DBZ is incredibly slow, good dub or not.

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Post by thedarkuniter » Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:23 am

Pokewhiz7 wrote:
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:
tvfan721 wrote:The whole purpose of Kai was that it would be the Dragon Ball anime 100% like the manga but they still kept some filler and removed some actual stuff that was in the manga. Since they did that, what's the point to any of this? They can't actually say that Kai is filler free and kept exactly like the manga. Since it's not compleltely accurate like it should be, it makes Kai serve no point really. It's a shame too cause it had so much potential.
I think the Japanese version is pointless. But, as far as Dragon Ball Z Kai is concerned, it gave America (and other regions in the World) the chance to get a new, more faithful dub of DBZ without actually being DBZ.
I dunno. DBZ is incredibly slow, good dub or not.
I agree completely on that. Even without Kai, Z had little rewatchability from me thanks to long, boring filler. Thanks to Kai, I can enjoy Kai without bearing long filler and a great dub to boot, so it kinda succeds on that, even without the Majin Boo saga.
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Post by kemuri07 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:15 am

tvfan721 wrote:
Pokewhiz7 wrote:
tvfan721 wrote:The whole purpose of Kai was that it would be the Dragon Ball anime 100% like the manga but they still kept some filler and removed some actual stuff that was in the manga. Since they did that, what's the point to any of this? They can't actually say that Kai is filler free and kept exactly like the manga. Since it's not compleltely accurate like it should be, it makes Kai serve no point really. It's a shame too cause it had so much potential.
It's still closer to the manga. Even with small amounts of filler left in and small amounts of canon material removed, it's much closer than Z ever was. Just because you got a 96% on a project and not 100% doesn't mean you failed.
Yes, it is a fail because you still end up with the same result as Z. .
You haven't watched kai, have you? Even if it isn't completely like the manga, Kai is a world of difference from Z in terms of pacing.

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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:41 pm

I don't think they were aiming to make DBK to be exactly like the manga. It's definitely closer to the manga than DBZ was. They could only work with what they had. I think if they wanted to make a series exactly like the manga, they would have to start from scratch.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:02 pm

That's rather absurd. Just because it didn't completely extinguish every last second of filler, it's a total failure? Huh?
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Post by B » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:46 pm

AgitoZ wrote:
Codarik wrote:Kai became pointless to me after it was confirmed it wasn't going to cover the Buu arc. What's the point in watching an incomplete series? Like or hate the Buu arc it is part of the story. You can't just ignore it.
Wouldn't that logic make Dragon Ball or Z pointless by themselves?
Sure, but they were never by themsrlves. Z started airing one week after DB. Considering it takes months to make one episode of the show, I'd say it was a predetermined idea to split them up.

Kai was cancelled.
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Post by AgitoZ » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:07 pm

B wrote:Sure, but they were never by themsrlves. Z started airing one week after DB. Considering it takes months to make one episode of the show, I'd say it was a predetermined idea to split them up.

Kai was cancelled.
Well then I could just watch the Boo arc afterwards if I so desired after Kai. Same with pre-Saiyan arc material. Does it really take that much effort? DB and Z are treated as separate series, but they're still watched in conjunction, why can't we treat Kai the same way?
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Post by DBZ Mick » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:56 pm

It felt more seamless than the original DBZ (as much as I like filler- see my sig) and more in line with the manga. I'd say that makes it a success.
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