Who were the actual original inhabitants of Planet Vegeta?

[dbboxkaifan]

Tuffles or "Plantanians" (Planet Plant - DBZ OVA 2011 EoB)?

Since Akira Toriyama originally intended the Tuffles they are the ones, and what about the fan-official work Plantanians?

[DNA]

Well, it's not fan-official, it's official and fully endorsed. That being said, no clue, no one has come up and said what happened.

My opinion? The Plantians are the original inhabitants, then Tsufruians invaded, exterminated them and conquered the planet at some point. Later the Saiyans did the same to them.

This would prove that the Tsufruians are not innocent and in fact are simply hypocrites, which honestly goes well with the two arcs featuring them.

Raichi saw no harm in destroying all life in an entire planet just to get revenge on a handful of Saiyans. Baby was responsible for the deaths of kami knows how many beings along the many years of plotting his revenge, and was also absolutely okay with enslaving the whole Earth and consequently the entire universe. All this was purely motivated by his thirst for revenge towards the Saiyans.

So, in the end, again, I don't think the Tsufruians are innocent at all, and if they conquered and extinguished an entire race for the greater good of their own race, it just further proves that.

That being said, once again, this is only my theory, there is no official confirmation, but it seems to be pointing to the Plantians being the original inhabitants of the planet. What happened after that is to each one's interpretation.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Raichi saw no harm in destroying all life in an entire planet just to get revenge on a handful of Saiyans. Baby was responsible for the deaths of kami knows how many beings along the many years of plotting his revenge, and was also absolutely okay with enslaving the whole Earth and consequently the entire universe. All this was purely motivated by his thirst for revenge towards the Saiyans.

So, in the end, again, I don't think the Tsufruians are innocent at all, and if they conquered and extinguished an entire race for the greater good of their own race, it just further proves that.

A bit like Bardock, perhaps? He's angry at Freeza for killing his friends and plotting to destroy their race, when he and his entire race destroy planets and wipe out the inhabitants without the slightest spot of remorse. Exactly why Tooro passed on his power of precognition to him. He wanted him to see his race and planet's demise, just as they had to.

[DNA]

A bit like Bardock, perhaps? He's angry at Freeza for killing his friends and plotting to destroy their race, when he and his entire race destroy planets and wipe out the inhabitants without the slightest spot of remorse. Exactly why Tooro passed on his power of precognition to him. He wanted him to see his race and planet's demise, just as they had to.

Well, exactly, hence why he has a change of heart in Episode of Bardock I guess, and actually begins fighting for the meek, instead of slaughtering them.

[Bussani]

It's possible that both races inhabited Planet Plant at the same time back in the past.

[DNA]

It's possible that both races inhabited Planet Plant at the same time back in the past.

That too, but I like my theory more because I believe the Tsufruians to be absolute dicks pretending to be victims.

[Kaboom]

It's possible that both races inhabited Planet Plant at the same time back in the past.

That too, but I like my theory more because I believe the Tsufruians to be absolute dicks pretending to be victims.

I like that general idea a lot, too. The Tsufrians wouldn't make good villains if they were completely blameless, after all. There is a little precedence for them being at least almost as bad as the Saiyans. Vegeta said something in PtEtS about them working his ancestors like slaves.

[DNA]

Vegeta said something in PtEtS about them working his ancestors like slaves.

Yes... He did... As much as I like to believe that, it's just a quote he said in passing that was never address afterwards. I'm more easily inclined to believe that it's actually a lie fed to Vegeta (and possibly others) to view the Tsufruians as enemies. On the other hand, it does seem like a very plausible thing to happen. We've got two sides to this story, both sides with their own version of the events, events that were never truly shown to us. We've seen the war, not what led to it.

[Goten Forever]

...can there not be more than one homosapien species on the planet?
Like humans and neanderthals, which were as advanced as each other at the time?

[DNA]

...can there not be more than one homosapien species on the planet?
Like humans and neanderthals, which were as advanced as each other at the time?

Plantians don't look anything like Tsufruians. At least Sapiens and Neanderthals branched from the same animal. But anyway Bussani already showcased that option.

[FindKenshi]

Color me a n00b, but what are these Plantians of which you speak? I've not heard of this. How is it that the Tuffles aren't the original inhabitants of planet Vegeta? I don't like that idea, so depending on the source I'm probably going to disregard it.

[Fox666]

The Plantians are the little guys in Episode of Bardock.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The Plantians are the little guys in Episode of Bardock.

[DNA]

Color me a n00b, but what are these Plantians of which you speak? I've not heard of this. How is it that the Tuffles aren't the original inhabitants of planet Vegeta? I don't like that idea, so depending on the source I'm probably going to disregard it.

From Episode of Bardock like dbboxkaifan said in the first post, and Fox666 said just now. Fell free to ignore it, I don't think anyone gives a shit about what you regard or not in your "cannon".

[FindKenshi]

Come on, I'm trying to act better. Just give me a chance here. On topic: Where was it declared that they are Plantians? I assumed they're supposed to be Tuffles.. they invented the healing liquid that Bardock recognizes as being part of the rejuvination tanks... so it makes sense they'd be Tuffles? I'm guessing there was a guide featuring the new work, or maybe they are called Plantians in the story itself?

[DNA]

Okay buddy, I'll give you a chance.
As for your question because these are the Tsufruians as designed by Toriyama himself:



The blonde guy on the right.

[FindKenshi]

I'm just wondering, where are they called Plantians officially? Is it in some supplemental guide, or a description in the manga, or called that in-universe during the story? I can't remember them being called Plantians in the scanslation I read, though it mayn't have been proper.

Anyways, what was Toriyama's involvement? Was he on-board as an advisor or whatever, like with GT? Or did he have little involvement... because I'd say the "Plantians" looking nothing like the Toriyama design of a Tuffle is more of a discrepancy than proof that they aren't Tuffles... unless the Plantian thing is official.

Also, the story seems pretty enigmatic, to me. Sure Bardock may be in the distant past, but it could be an alternate universe, as well?

[DNA]

As far as I know, Toriyama had no involvement whatsoever. Ooishi was behind it. No name is ever stated anywhere for that little race of creatures. Plantians is the name people have been giving to them due to the fact that they are the inhabitants of Planet Plant. There is no proof that these are or aren't supposed to be the Tsufurians, but then again, I doubt Ooishi would go against what was stated by Toriyama himself, hence the assumption, by most fans, that this is a different race, as stated, the Plantians.

As for the rest, it is stated that Bardock travelled a thousand years into the past. If this creates a timeline split or an alternate universe we do not know.

The special is regarded as an official continuation of the Bardock TV Special.
As usual it's up to the individual fan to accept or not this special in his own personal cannon. Bear in mind this does exist and it is official, the question would be to what continuity does it belong. My view? It clearly belongs to the TV Series continuity, and it fits fine there.

[FindKenshi]

... I doubt Ooishi would go against what was stated by Toriyama himself, hence the assumption, by most fans, that this is a different race ...

This is assuming he even knows about that being Toriyama's design. Maybe he's not read the Artbooks, or he overlooked the fact that the Tuffle shown in the anime scene was actually designed by Toriyama. I mean, we consider this stuff common knowledge, because we, as a rule, research Dragon Ball. There's no telling what this author's background is with that kind of information. One could go so far as to say that even knowing that Toriyama supplied the designs for many of the anime-only appearances is pretty obscure knowledge. This is why it's part of the rumor guide on DaizEx, or at least at one time it was listed in the Rumor guide. Something along the lines of "Rumor: Toriyama had no involvement in the filler", and then all the evidence posted from the artbooks and interviews. Maybe I'm way off here, and the knowledge is much more common and wide-spread over in Japan, but it seems like something a casual fan could easily overlook, or simply never know.

This is all speculation on my part, of course, but it's no more speculation than assuming he knows every intricate detail about Dragon Ball, including one momentary filler scene in a single episode.

There's also the author's stylized artwork to consider. His Bardock looks much edgier, his Chilled looks almost... toy-like. These 'Plantians', look so innocent and cute.

[DNA]

Well she has been said to be an avid fan of Dragon Ball, she's also Toriyama's apprentice. I doubt very much she would commit such a fuck up like that.

Also, Toriyama designed Chilled himself. Maybe he even designed the Plantians actually, we just don't really know.