Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

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Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by NovaSayajinGoku » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:51 pm

...are all located in the eastern of the Galaxy/Milkyway.

Paikuhan is coming From the western.

And the Earth is part of the Northern Galaxy.

is that right ?

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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by Kaboom » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:29 pm

Yes, Earth is indeed within the North Galaxy, and the blue pun-happy guy whom Goku trains under is the North Kaio. Paikuhan is from the West Galaxy, and he's the top protege of the West Kaio, who North Kaio has a rivalry with.

I don't think we were ever told which galaxies Planet Vegeta and Namek were in (but I may be wrong), and we certainly don't know where Freeza comes from.
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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by Fox666 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:34 pm

Since Kaio mentioned Namek is not under his jurisdiction, we at least know it is not in the North Galaxy.

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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:35 pm

I think this little except from one of Herms' many useful guides may be of, well, use...go figure.
The DB Earth is located on the outskirts of the North Galaxy, which Daizenshuu 7 says is home to many beautiful planets like it. Other than that though, there’s not much mention of what specific galaxies planets are located in. Planet Namek, however, is located somewhere outside the North Galaxy. During the end of the Freeza arc, North Kaio explains that he can’t do anything to help revive Goku or Kuririn because they died on Plant Namek, which is outside of his region. Some translations make it sound like Kaio is referring to the area of death as being outside his jurisdiction (it being Enma’s duty), but the word for “region” used, 地域/chi’iki, implies a physical region. What’s more, Bulma flat-out says shortly thereafter that Planet Namek is located outside of Kaio’s region, but this line is left out in Viz’s translation.

If Planet Namek isn’t located in the North Galaxy, where is it? The maps of the DB world that have planets labeled always show Earth and Namek as being on opposite sides of one of the galaxy-dividing lines etched into the macrocosm’s side, so going by that Namek would be in either the East or West Galaxy, but we can’t tell which from the map’s side-perspective. However, the Elder Kaioshin says that he warned the Namekians about using the dragonballs, and since he’s supposed to be the East Kaioshin of 15 generations ago, it would be logical for Namek to therefore be in his region. So overall I think the best guess is that Namek is located in the East Galaxy. The map of the DB world also shows Planet Vegeta and Planet Freeza No.79 as being with Namek on the other side of the galaxy-dividing line, so they’d probably be there as well.

Apart from that, there’s also a bit of information on the South Galaxy, mostly from the anime. In the manga, the South Kaio brags to North Kaio about his pupil Papoi, apparently the strongest fighter from the South Galaxy, but he quickly loses confidence that Papoi is a match for Goku (in the anime we get to actually see Papoi). In DBZ movie 13, Tapion’s home planet of Konats is said to be located in the South Galaxy, which is unfortunately also the galaxy Broli is said to destroy in DBZ movie 8. In the Afterlife Tournament filler, Olibu says that the South Galaxy must be very peaceful, since the Southern warrior Catepy’s special attack is to simply tickle people.
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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by NovaSayajinGoku » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:49 pm

Is it not true that there a total of four sectors?

each sector is watching by a Kaioshin. Dragon Ball plays in the eastern sector.

And i think this is the Galaxy of the eastern Sector.

Again, there are again 4 parts of Galaxy North, East, South, West

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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:02 pm

NovaSayajinGoku wrote:Is it not true that there a total of four sectors?

each sector is watching by a Kaioshin. Dragon Ball plays in the eastern sector.

And i think this is the Galaxy of the eastern Sector.

Again, there are again 4 parts of Galaxy North, East, South, West
No, that's not right...but I'm not the one to explain it to you. I seriously advise you to read the topic I linked to in my previous post: http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =7&t=11596 Herms covers everything better than I ever could.

But here is a summary I guess:
The universe is split into 4 sections, and each is overseen by a Kaio.
The four Kaioshin watch over the same sections as the four Kaio, but it is also their job to watch the afterlife as well.
The Dai Kaioshin and the Dai Kaio each watch over their 4 subordinates, if you want to call them that.
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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by NovaSayajinGoku » Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:13 pm

You mean this thing is the whole Universe ?

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Post by Hades » Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:30 pm

So where would the Kaioshin planet be in that map?
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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by NovaSayajinGoku » Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:53 pm

Hades wrote:So where would the Kaioshin planet be in that map?
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:54 pm

NovaSayajinGoku wrote:You mean this thing is the whole Universe ?
Yeah,...the only thing missing is the Kaioshin realm, which is in the other map.
Hades wrote:So where would the Kaioshin planet be in that map?
That's a old map... Nova beat me to the image though.
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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by NovaSayajinGoku » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:05 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
NovaSayajinGoku wrote:You mean this thing is the whole Universe ?
Yeah,...the only thing missing is the Kaioshin realm, which is in the other map.
why do they call East Kaioshin. When The Earth is in the North ?

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:08 pm

NovaSayajinGoku wrote:why do they call East Kaioshin. When The Earth is in the North ?
Because he is the Kaioshin of the East, but the North, South, West and Dai Kaioshin were killed by Buu and have yet to be replaced, so its now his duty to watch over everything (especially when Majin Buu is involved).
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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by NANLIT » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:12 pm

NovaSayajinGoku wrote:
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
NovaSayajinGoku wrote:You mean this thing is the whole Universe ?
Yeah,...the only thing missing is the Kaioshin realm, which is in the other map.
why do they call East Kaioshin. When The Earth is in the North ?
Perhaps because even though Earth isn't under his juridiction normally, he's the only Kaioshin left (until the old East Kaioshin is released) and Boo was his enemy since long ago who took out the other Kaioshin and the Dai Kaioshin.

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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:22 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
NovaSayajinGoku wrote:why do they call East Kaioshin. When The Earth is in the North ?
Because he is the Kaioshin of the East, but the North, South, West and Dai Kaioshin were killed by Buu and have yet to be replaced, so its now his duty to watch over everything (especially when Majin Buu is involved).
I always wondered why they didn't just get replacements. Or maybe it's something to do with that fruit that births Shinians not producing Kaioushin candidates in a while.

Also, I don't mean to hijack the thread, but is it ever confirmed whether or not Kibito is just the East Kaioushin's assistant, or just a single assistant for all the Kaioushin?
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:31 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:I always wondered why they didn't just get replacements. Or maybe it's something to do with that fruit that births Shin-jin not producing Kaioushin candidates in a while.
Well, Toriyama likely thought it would just be better for there to only be one Kaioshin at the time in the story, and he didn't come up with the Shinian fruit and stuff until way after Buu anyway. In-universe, the golden fruit just didn't grow by then, or if it did, they may have been rotten/Makaioshin.

Oh...
Daizenshuu 4 wrote:Kibito
Kibito, who serves as the attendant of all of the Kaioshin, has the teleportation ability to instantly move to anywhere in the entire universe. With this ability, the Kaioshin can instantly go to wherever there is a problem.
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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:36 pm

OK then. Thanks.
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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by Hades » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:39 pm

my personal theory about there being no more Kaioshin is that because the South and Dai Kaioshins were absorbed rather than killed by Buu, they were considered "alive" and thus it was decided by the tree that replacements weren't necessary.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:42 pm

Hades wrote:my personal theory about there being no more Kaioshin is that because the South and Dai Kaioshins were absorbed rather than killed by Buu, they were considered "alive" and thus it was decided by the tree that replacements weren't necessary.
And for North and West?
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:43 pm

Hades wrote:my personal theory about there being no more Kaioshin is that because the South and Dai Kaioshins were absorbed rather than killed by Buu, they were considered "alive" and thus it was decided by the tree that replacements weren't necessary.
But again, they have lost their positions, so replacements should be nessesary in the future, when golden fruits get grown.
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Re: Planet Vegeta, Namek and Freezer...

Post by Hades » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:45 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
Hades wrote:my personal theory about there being no more Kaioshin is that because the South and Dai Kaioshins were absorbed rather than killed by Buu, they were considered "alive" and thus it was decided by the tree that replacements weren't necessary.
And for North and West?
I'm not sure. Perhaps it takes a majority of losses to lead to replacements being grown.
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