Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
User avatar
DragonBalllKaiHD
I Live Here
Posts: 2734
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:37 pm
Location: Texas
Contact:

Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:01 am

You bet I am. After seeing Broly, Future and Present Trunks in SSJ3 form in Dragon Heroes, I feel the transformation isn't special anymore and it ruins the feeling of uniquity. That goes to fanfics that show the characters almost instantly transform into SSJ4 or even SSJ5. Even Gotenks in Young Jijii's DBAF was shown to be SSJ4. I'm sick of this. Where's the originality? How about you guys?
Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru's #1 biggest fan

User avatar
DBZ Mick
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1130
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 1:38 am
Location: Australia

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by DBZ Mick » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:18 am

I thought the whole legend got crapped on after Freeza when anyone who just got angry enough could become one.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

Superman in an orange Gi was the bastard son of FUNimation. Its not The real character, it is as false as Chatku.

-DemonRin

User avatar
Saiga
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8311
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:36 pm
Location: Space Australia

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by Saiga » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:21 am

I think the legend was kind of ruined, but it was a shitty legend in the first place and it's better as a branching series of transformations.

GT/Future Trunks getting it is a bit hard to swallow, especially when they weren't even given Super Saiyan 2.
I'm re-watching Dragon Ball GT in full on my blog. Check it out if you're interested in my thoughts on the series as I watch through it!

User avatar
DBZ Mick
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1130
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 1:38 am
Location: Australia

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by DBZ Mick » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:25 am

I thought it was built up somewhat well with Nappa's first mention of it, to the Grand Elder asking Kuririn about it, then Vegeta and Ginyu's talks of it. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest, but I thought they built it up well.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

Superman in an orange Gi was the bastard son of FUNimation. Its not The real character, it is as false as Chatku.

-DemonRin

User avatar
Travis Touchdown
Regular
Posts: 734
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:14 pm
Contact:

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by Travis Touchdown » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:26 am

Whoa wait? Now GT Trunks goes SSJ3?
"Hey girlfriend, why don't you throw a few more punches? Afraid you might break a nail or somethin?"
Ken - Street Fighter II

User avatar
DBZ Mick
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1130
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 1:38 am
Location: Australia

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by DBZ Mick » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:28 am

Yes... Check out the Dragonball Heroes discussion... Just saw it myself.
:shock:
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

Superman in an orange Gi was the bastard son of FUNimation. Its not The real character, it is as false as Chatku.

-DemonRin

User avatar
Saiga
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8311
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:36 pm
Location: Space Australia

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by Saiga » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:31 am

DBZ Mick wrote:I thought it was built up somewhat well with Nappa's first mention of it, to the Grand Elder asking Kuririn about it, then Vegeta and Ginyu's talks of it. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest, but I thought they built it up well.
I don't mean they way it was built up in the story, I mean as an in-universe legend it's kind of shitty.
I'm re-watching Dragon Ball GT in full on my blog. Check it out if you're interested in my thoughts on the series as I watch through it!

User avatar
TheDevilsCorpse
Moderator
Posts: 11378
Joined: Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:34 am
Contact:

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:32 am

Just so people don't have to traverse into topics they may not want to delve into:

Image
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
My personal "canon" and BP list. (Coming Soon)

User avatar
TheNamekGio
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 144
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:44 pm
Location: Planet Namek

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by TheNamekGio » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:44 am

Yea and before you know it, they are gonna have every single Saiya-jin in the series going SSJ 4 too watch!! I can see it now......wait for it.... SSJ 4 Pan!!! Smh. :mrgreen:
I'm a DB veteran thats paid my DB dues!!

User avatar
sangofe
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8077
Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:39 pm

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by sangofe » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:59 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:You bet I am. After seeing Broly, Future and Present Trunks in SSJ3 form in Dragon Heroes, I feel the transformation isn't special anymore and it ruins the feeling of uniquity. That goes to fanfics that show the characters almost instantly transform into SSJ4 or even SSJ5. Even Gotenks in Young Jijii's DBAF was shown to be SSJ4. I'm sick of this. Where's the originality? How about you guys?
Yeah man, why don't they go SSJ6?

User avatar
Jackal puFF
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1684
Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:24 pm
Contact:

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by Jackal puFF » Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:01 am

You know I would love seeing Pan turn into a super saiyan. Trunks from GT turning into a super saiyan 3? I think that's ridiculous!

User avatar
sangofe
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8077
Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:39 pm

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by sangofe » Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:08 am

Jackal puFF wrote:You know I would love seeing Pan turn into a super saiyan. Trunks from GT turning into a super saiyan 3? I think that's ridiculous!
Yeah, at least give him some red fur and black hair.

Danicus
Newbie
Posts: 4
Joined: Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:31 pm

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by Danicus » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:20 am

DBZ Mick wrote:I thought the whole legend got crapped on after Freeza when anyone who just got angry enough could become one.
QFFT.

A super saiyan was so cool against Frieza. The legend, the fear in Frieza's eyes and the personality that came with it making Goku a badass. They got it right with Trunks' appearance too, that is one of my favourite parts of the series. Then the Androids came and even though Vegeta ascended it seemed cheap how a human could create a machine that could best Frieza easily. In DB Androids were pathetic, they should have stayed that way although Cell was genius.

I think they should have left Super Saiyan to one potential transformation but had Gohan special who could somehow unlock a hidden ascension.

When it got to Buu it got just plain silly. Kids transforming (I don't care for the parents strength excuse), the kids going SSJ3.

Don't get me started on DBGT. That can jog on.

User avatar
DBZGTKOSDH
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 12401
Joined: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:45 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:39 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:You bet I am. After seeing Broly, Future and Present Trunks in SSJ3 form in Dragon Heroes, I feel the transformation isn't special anymore and it ruins the feeling of uniquity. That goes to fanfics that show the characters almost instantly transform into SSJ4 or even SSJ5. Even Gotenks in Young Jijii's DBAF was shown to be SSJ4. I'm sick of this. Where's the originality? How about you guys?
Why take them so seriously? There are only 2 SSJ3 in the series, the ones in the video games are "what-ifs", how would they look like if they were SSJ3. But they aren't, and will never be in the story. As for the fanficts, don't take them seriously too. They are just fanficts, they don't affect the official franchise in any way.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

User avatar
hunterxhunter21
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 191
Joined: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:31 am
Location: Indianapolis, IN

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by hunterxhunter21 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:55 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Why take them so seriously? There are only 2 SSJ3 in the series, the ones in the video games are "what-ifs", how would they look like if they were SSJ3. But they aren't, and will never be in the story. As for the fanficts, don't take them seriously too. They are just fanficts, they don't affect the official franchise in any way.
This is how I see it. They are just what ifs. It isn't in the manga or anime depending on what your canon is, so it is like a different universe where they can go SSJ3. It is keeping Dragon Ball in the public eye and bringing something new to the game. Just sit back and enjoy the pretty pictures. If you don't like 'em just don't look.
Dragon Ball Famicon/Super Famicom game scans : HERE

User avatar
Necrosaber
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 157
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:43 pm

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by Necrosaber » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:19 am

I like all the what-ifs. It's something different and it gives us new things to see/play. After 10 years of Dragonball games, one gets tired of playing/seeing the same characters over and over. So if they wanna give a character a new power up to spice it up a bit? Hell, I don't mind.

User avatar
Rostir
Regular
Posts: 528
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:50 am

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by Rostir » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:23 am

Necrosaber wrote:So if they wanna give a character a new power up to spice it up a bit? Hell, I don't mind.
In this case, all they're doing is giving every insignificant Saiyan character a new SSJ transformation.
Innagadadavida wrote:Because not everybody enjoys torture porn with horrible art.

User avatar
dbboxkaifan
Banned
Posts: 8906
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:32 pm

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by dbboxkaifan » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:25 am

Looking back at the early arc of Dragon Ball Kai / Z, Raditz with his long hair was a sign that more of them were coming, but in blonde/yellow colour.

Goku SSJ3/SSJ4 but every Saiyan going SSJ3/SSJ4 it just loses the exclusivity and uniqueness. :?
FUNimation 2015 Releases I want:
- Kai 2.0 on Blu-ray

User avatar
Necrosaber
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 157
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:43 pm

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by Necrosaber » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:55 am

Rostir wrote:
Necrosaber wrote:So if they wanna give a character a new power up to spice it up a bit? Hell, I don't mind.
In this case, all they're doing is giving every insignificant Saiyan character a new SSJ transformation.

*shrugs* Like I said, don't mind. It'd be cool if they did did other things like fusions and powerups for human characters.

User avatar
TheDevilsCorpse
Moderator
Posts: 11378
Joined: Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:34 am
Contact:

Re: Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:00 am

I also don't really mind them giving Saiyans new forms, though this one irks me a bit for personal reasons. I'd prefer if they created new characters, like Chilled, instead of forms, but I won't complain either way.
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
My personal "canon" and BP list. (Coming Soon)

Post Reply