How strong are Android 19,20

[Super Vegetto]

Androids didnt seamed so strong against Z force.

Piccolo managed to beat Android 20 who is > 19, yet when Goku started to fight, it seamed like Android 19 and his SSJ form are not so big gap.

I have Androids around 40,000,000 - 90,000,000 in powers they have.

Mecha Frieza who is 50% is on 80,000,000 and i put King Cold around 50,000,000 - 100,000,000

I dont see Piccolo on SSJ level ( Namek ) because he would nead to get incredibly multiply like for SSJ form during those 3 year, yet he was no where Base Goku ( Namek ) and probably Base Goku ( Arriving on earth ).

Also Piccolo to Krillin sad something like Trunks defeated Frieza so easy, yet he was powerless against Androids and got 1 hit ko.
Does that mean that Piccolo stated himself to be weaker than Trunks that killd Frieza or even weaker than 50% Mecha Frieza ?

Are androids 19,20 much weaker than lets say 50% Frieza ( Namek ) and just beause they dont feal pain they can fight because no one exept Piccolo actualy breaked arm with concentrating ki in one hit ?

Its pretty logical that Android 19 is weaker than SSJ Goku yet that would mean that he would be broken in few hits from Goku, so concentrating ki is pretty good example.

So where is the best to put them in power level list ?

[Kaboom]

Given how easily they were beaten down by the heroes despite the drastic amounts of power they supposedly gained through absorption (and the heroes thus inversely lost), one would think that their starting levels would be pretty low. Everyone's mileage may vary, but the way I usually see it, neither one of them surpassed 100% Freeza's power until after they'd absorbed a whole lot of Ki from the heroes.

[Super Vegetto]

Given how easily they were beaten down by the heroes despite the drastic amounts of power they supposedly gained through absorption (and the heroes thus inversely lost), one would think that their starting levels would be pretty low. Everyone's mileage may vary, but the way I usually see it, neither one of them surpassed 100% Freeza's power until after they'd absorbed a whole lot of Ki from the heroes.

Where you put Android 19 after absorbing Yamcha ?

Android 20 after absorbing Piccolo ?

[Kaboom]

Those increases would be relatively small compared to what they, 19 especially, got from Goku and Vegeta. Piccolo was hiding most of his power, revealing that what 20 absorbed amounted to diddly-squat compared to his full power, and they wouldn't get much from Yamcha in any regard.

[Fox666]

Piccolo supposedly is somewhat as strong as a Super Saiyan at that point, and No.20 is absolutely hopeless against him. For that reason I doubt he is as strong as Freeza, who could at least stand on his own against a Super Saiyan.

[CatouttaHell]

Piccolo and co think that they're the same Artificial Humans that Trunks was afraid of, so I would say that Doctor Gero (Pre) at the very least should be > SSjin Trunks.

[Saiga]

Piccolo supposedly is somewhat as strong as a Super Saiyan at that point, and No.20 is absolutely hopeless against him. For that reason I doubt he is as strong as Freeza, who could at least stand on his own against a Super Saiyan.

Well, Freeza couldn't really hold his own in the manga... he gets one good hit on SS Goku on Namek, and after coming back stronger Trunks effortlessly trashes him.

[FNF]

Vegeta says that they weren't as terrible as they were made out to be by Trunks. I think that implies that, although they were somewhat stronger than Trunks(Trunks arc), they weren't by a tremendous amount.

[Fox666]

He fought fairly well against Goku, of course he was out-classed, but he was still fighting back. And he didn't use all of his power against Trunks, despite Trunks himself telling him to do so.

Dr. Gero on the other hand was just being threatened like a child by Piccolo.

although they were somewhat stronger than Trunks(Trunks arc)

I don't think Trunks is suggested to have increased his power significantly in these 8 months.

[FNF]

I don't think Trunks is suggested to have increased his power significantly in these 8 months.

Well the least powerful SSjin he had sensed was SSjin Trunks and Krillin thought his power was at the very least that level.

Anyway we have Vegeta's statement that suggests the c19 and c120 were stronger than SSjin Trunks(Trunks arc) and Piccolo suggesting that he may have become 'too strong'. IMO Piccolo should be >> SSjin Trunks (Trunks arc).

[Fox666]

Well the least powerful SSjin he had sensed was SSjin Trunks and Krillin thought his power was at the very least that level.

Not necessarily. His words only meant that Piccolo is about as strong as a Super Saiyan, not exactly as strong as the weakest he had ever seen. You should take it as a rough estimative rather than trying to figure which Super Saiyan he is talking about.

And technically Piccolo was supressing his power, which was the whole reason why Dr. Gero underestimated him, so Kuririn shouldn't be able to provide an accurate estimative anyway.

Anyway we have Vegeta's statement that suggests the c19 and c120 were stronger than SSjin Trunks(Trunks arc) and Piccolo suggesting that he may have become 'too strong'. IMO Piccolo should be >> SSjin Trunks (Trunks arc).

I don't really think this says anything about Trunks. This line only means what it exactly says: these two Androids are not so strong as Trunks made them believe.

Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4
Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.”

About Piccolo's words:

Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3
Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?...

It turns out these Androids are in fact not as strong as they thought. Since No.19 and 20 are not really the Androids Trunks told them, that answer Piccolo's question, right? So it's entirely acceptable that Piccolo didn't surpassed Trunks yet.

[FNF]

Well the least powerful SSjin he had sensed was SSjin Trunks and Krillin thought his power was at the very least that level.

Not necessarily. His words only meant that Piccolo is about as strong as a Super Saiyan, not exactly as strong as the weakest he had ever seen. You should take it as a rough estimative rather than trying to figure which Super Saiyan he is talking about.

And technically Piccolo was supressing his power, which was the whole reason why Dr. Gero underestimated him, so Kuririn shouldn't be able to provide an accurate estimative anyway.

Piccolo raised his power so of course Krillin could have sensed it. He flat out states he was as strong as a SSjin

Anyway we have Vegeta's statement that suggests the c19 and c120 were stronger than SSjin Trunks(Trunks arc) and Piccolo suggesting that he may have become 'too strong'. IMO Piccolo should be >> SSjin Trunks (Trunks arc).

I don't really think this says anything about Trunks. This line only means what it exactly says: these two Androids are not so strong as Trunks made them believe.

Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4
Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.”

Bolded.

He emphasizes the fact that they aren't 'as terrible'. That suggests that although they were extremely strong, they weren't as strong as Trunks made out ie leagues ahead of Trunks.

Not only that, Vegeta actually states that he underestimated c20's movements later on so it's a moot point trying to make c19 and c20 that weak based off of that statement;

Vegeta: “Damn it all! He’s quicker than I thought…!”

About Piccolo's words:

Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3
Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?...

It turns out these Androids are in fact not as strong as they thought. Since No.19 and 20 are not really the Androids Trunks told them, that answer Piccolo's question, right? So it's entirely acceptable that Piccolo didn't surpassed Trunks yet.

The very fact that he suggests he 'grown too strong' all but states that he was >> SSjin Trunks(Trunks arc). He wouldn't have suggested it otherwise.

[Fox666]

Piccolo raised his power so of course Krillin could have sensed it. He flat out states he was as strong as a SSjin

Again, it's just a roughly estimative. You are over-analyzing it by trying to figure "which Super Saiyan" Kuririn was talking about. At best it only means that Piccolo is not far behind Vegeta and the others.

Bolded.

He emphasizes the fact that they aren't 'as terrible'. That suggests that although they were extremely strong, they weren't as strong as Trunks made out ie leagues ahead of Trunks.

I don't really see where you are getting that from.

Not only that, Vegeta actually states that he underestimated c20's movements later on so it's a moot point trying to make c19 and c20 that weak based off of that statement;

Vegeta: “Damn it all! He’s quicker than I thought…!”

Vegeta underestimated Dr. Gero's speed. But that doesn't tell us how Dr. Gero is compared to Trunks.

The very fact that he suggests he 'grown too strong' all but states that he was >> SSjin Trunks(Trunks arc). He wouldn't have suggested it otherwise.

I don't really see it.

Besides Piccolo is asking it himself. Supposedly Trunks didn't stand a chance against that weak Androids he is beating the crap of, that's why he is asking himself if he has grown so strong or the Androids are not as powerfull as they have been told. If anything that suggests Piccolo is actually not as strong as Trunks.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I have Androids #19 and #20 between 50% Freeza and 100% Freeza, but after they absorb the energies of Gokuu and Piccolo respectively, #19 becomes almost as strong as 100% Freeza and #20 ends up equal to 100% Freeza.

[hleV]

Since I don't buy Piccolo becoming like 100 times stronger, Artificial Humans #19 & #20 are pretty weak in my eyes.

[DanielSSJ]

I believe that Androids 19 and 20 are around 50% of Freeza's power, give or take. Rememeber, when Goku fought 19, Piccolo stated that Goku was nowhere near his full strength, and that if he was he would have already finished 19 off. The exact quote in the manga is this.

Piccolo - Son Goku is rushing the battle for some reason... He's already giving all he's got... But look how weak he is...

Tenshinhan - Weak?! Did you say "weak"?! What are you talking about?! Goku's overwhelming the Android!

Piccolo - This is nothing. His power as a Super Saiyan should be far more staggering than this.

Mind you, until 19 absorbed Goku's Kamehameha, 19 didn't even get a hit in on Goku. Vegeta made quick work of 19, even after e absorbed so much of Goku's ki. Despite the large gap in strength between the androids and the Super Saiyans (and Piccolo), 19 and 20 did seem to be rather durable, and could take hits rather well.

[DanielSSJ]

Since I don't buy Piccolo becoming like 100 times stronger, Artificial Humans #19 & #20 are pretty weak in my eyes.

I don't totally buy Piccolo increasing his strength 100 fold in three years either. However, he did train alongside a Super Saiyan Goku for that time, so it would make sense that Piccolo would expreience a humongous power increase. Still, a 100x increase is pushing it.

[Sandubadear]

19 was winning against Goku because he was sick. To me, 20 is about 70% Freeza, and 19 is just slightly below that.

[Dayspring]

Mecha Freeza who is 50% is on 80,000,000 and i put King Cold around 50,000,000 - 100,000,000

King Cold is actually a lot weaker than people realize. Remember that while he was strong enough to make Freeza get dirty in combat, nothing suggests he came close to doing well against Freeza, just that Freeza had to take him more seriously than anybody he's ever fought before. Since Cold has never seen Freeza's third form, this means Freeza's second form is stronger than Cold. That puts Cold between 120,000 (Ginyu's max) and 1,000,000 or lower.

Meanwhile, the reason Mecha Freeza is so cocky is because he's stronger than he was compared to when he last fought Goku. That means Mecha Freeza is over 120,000,000 at whatever strength we see him at.

[Darkprince410]

Piccolo raised his power so of course Krillin could have sensed it. He flat out states he was as strong as a SSjin

Actually, his statement wasn't that Piccolo was as strong as a Super Saiya-jin. He simply comments that it's amazing that Piccolo is so strong, and he's not even a Super Saiya-jin. All that necessarily means is that he's incredibly strong for not being one, not necessarily that he was on the same level as one. For example, he could be in the range of 90 million or so, which is a considerable amount less than the 150 mil of Ssj Goku during the Freeza Saga. However, at that time period in the story, 90 million is incredibly strong for not being a Super Saiya-jin.