Is the Kai Freeza fight= essential replacement to original?

[Aoi]

I find that when DB Kai first appeared, it gave many fans the impression that there was really something wrong with the pace of the original series that Kai needed to fix. I find the pacing of the entire series + filler to be great throughout the series. However, I feel that the original production of Goku vs. Freeza after Goku turns SSJ is just a disaster. It's not even Toriyama's fault. His writing is great. However, it's the only time in the series that you actually feel that TOEI really really messed up. The production is maybe the worst I have ever seen and I would say worst and ANY Dragon Ball GT or even the worst DB/Z movie. The worst part of Dragon Ball.

Do you think that the Kikuchi scored Kai version of the entire Goku/Freeza fight is actually a fantastic essential to the original? This is the only time where I'd say this about Kai. It lifts the disastrous original production from a 1/10 to an easy 8-9/10 production. Thoughts on this?

[dbboxkaifan]

It made Dragon Ball Z more enjoyable to watch sometimes, I personally didn't mind the long battle of Son Vs. Freeza but shortening it up was cool.

[DarkPrince_92]

Yeah, wither way is fine. I just wish the first time, Funimation did a better job. Linda Young's Frieza is unbearable, and the lines were corny and uninteresting.

[Gonstead]

Linda Young's Freeza is unbearable, and the lines were corny and uninteresting.

I wouldn't say her Frieza was unbearable. Sure, her performance in the series was pretty bad but she had her moments elsewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEpnNnGAnTc

[Jackal puFF]

I really hated the whole Namek and Frieza arc before I saw Kai. And now it's like one of my favorite arcs. It was just so long in Z. I felt like the characters were having eye staring contests than actual fights.

[DarkPrince_92]

I wouldn't say her Freeza was unbearable. Sure, her performance in the series was pretty bad but she had her moments elsewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEpnNnGAnTc

Actually I take that back. Only during the Frieza arc did I like Linda Young's Frieza. It's afterwards in movies and games where Frieza just sounded like an old woman that got on my nerves.

[Gonstead]

I wouldn't say her Freeza was unbearable. Sure, her performance in the series was pretty bad but she had her moments elsewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEpnNnGAnTc

Actually I take that back. Only during the Freeza arc did I like Linda Young's Freeza. It's afterwards in movies and games where Freeza just sounded like an old woman that got on my nerves.

Not true. She was one of the better performances in the Bardock special.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnN6hjjNigk and especially here

[dbboxkaifan]

I wouldn't say her Freeza was unbearable. Sure, her performance in the series was pretty bad but she had her moments elsewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEpnNnGAnTc

She doesn't fit at all to be Lord Freeza, but that countdown sure was funny.

Linda Young = Granny Freeza

[Aoi]

Originally, I wasn't thinking of the English dub, but yea what you all wrote makes sense. If I were to show the show in English to someone, I'd just say: "yeah they changed Gohan's voice" lol. I feel the editing of the entire arc is immense in Kai, not just the voice acting, but everything was done better.

I don't want to add something from the General forum's thread (which focusses on the story), but I need to add this: I feel that if TOEI actually had unlimited time to make the series, they would have kept all the filler/padding during Saiyan, Cell and Buu arcs in tact. They actually help the narrative and balance the episodes well (most of the time).

Does anyone feel that the entire Namek are is the only arc that TOEI actually needed to fix? I feel like Kai was a god-send in this sense.

[matt0044]

Originally, I wasn't thinking of the English dub, but yea what you all wrote makes sense. If I were to show the show in English to someone, I'd just say: "yeah they changed Gohan's voice" lol. I feel the editing of the entire arc is immense in Kai, not just the voice acting, but everything was done better.

I don't want to add something from the General forum's thread (which focusses on the story), but I need to add this: I feel that if TOEI actually had unlimited time to make the series, they would have kept all the filler/padding during Saiyan, Cell and Buu arcs in tact. They actually help the narrative and balance the episodes well (most of the time).

Does anyone feel that the entire Namek are is the only arc that TOEI actually needed to fix? I feel like Kai was a god-send in this sense.

That'd defeat the purpose of Kai. Kai means revised and Dragon Ball Z is being revised by taking out the filler that dragged out the series to irritating levels. Some is still left in but only to pad out the episode or if the filler is too integrate into the canon. If you read the Manga, you'd know the vast difference in pacing.

[Aoi]

Well I write that mostly because I feel in retrospect, that Z's version of all arcs except the Namek arc are superior to Kai's. More so especially because of this "irritating filler". Sometimes Kai will hurry up a perfectly fine scene just for the sake of condensing the series.

[DarkPrince_92]

She doesn't fit at all to be Lord Freeza, but that countdown sure was funny.

Linda Young = Granny Freeza

Couldn't have said that better. I was used to it before, but with Ayres, I take Frieza much more seriously as a villain. Not to say Linda Young is a bad VA, as Genkai she's awesome....but Frieza shouldn't sound like Genkai.