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So this is how I would change the last arc of the series.

Post by JBoogie » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:14 am

We all know that the Buu arc has tons of problems. This is how I would completely change it.

1. Leave Goku dead after sacrificing himself for Cell. Let it actually mean something and let Gohan be the main character.
2. I would keep Goten and Trunks, but never let them transform into Super Saiyan. I also would've had Future Trunks leave Present Trunks his sword, since he hadn't used it after he got out of the ROSAT.
3. Give Piccolo more of a fighting role, and make Android 18, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu way more competent.
4. Instead of having Babidi, Buu, Dabura, etc at all, I would've had the Kaioshins be the group of villains. I haven't really figured out why yet, but for some reason they would attack Earth, and they would actually be a threat, as opposed to East Kaioshin being weak when compared to the Saiyans.
5. And finally, make the Z Sword actually have some relevance.

What do you guys think? How would you change the last arc?
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Re: So this is how I would change the last arc of the series

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:29 am

I agree with all but #4. Kaioushin was basically a plot device to show just how strong the Super Saiyans had become if they were able to make even the highest god in existence look like a pussy (destroying his mysterious role at the 25th TB), but making them the villains to attack Earth doesn't solve that.

But I have a whole document of ways I'd change most of the arcs and the series in general. I'll just say a couple of them.

-Keep Vegeta dead
-No Potara fusion
-Make Gohan SS2 against Dabra and Boo
-Piccolo doesn't forfeit his match against the Kaioushin and fights him, but narrowly loses
-Give the Z-Sword magical properties that can negate Boo's magic and regeneration
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Re: So this is how I would change the last arc of the series

Post by JBoogie » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:36 am

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JBoogie wrote:We all know that the Buu arc has tons of problems. This is how I would completely change it.

1. Leave Goku dead after sacrificing himself for Cell. Let it actually mean something and let Gohan be the main character.
2. I would keep Goten and Trunks, but never let them transform into Super Saiyan. I also would've had Future Trunks leave Present Trunks his sword, since he hadn't used it after he got out of the ROSAT.
3. Give Piccolo more of a fighting role, and make Android 18, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu way more competent.
4. Instead of having Babidi, Buu, Dabura, etc at all, I would've had the Kaioshins be the group of villains. I haven't really figured out why yet, but for some reason they would attack Earth, and they would actually be a threat, as opposed to East Kaioshin being weak when compared to the Saiyans.
5. And finally, make the Z Sword actually have some relevance.

What do you guys think? How would you change the last arc?
I agree with all but four. Kaioushin was basically a plot device to show just how strong the Super Saiyans had become if they were able to make even the highest god in existence look like a pussy (destroying his mysterious role at the 25th TB), but making them the villains to attack Earth doesn't solve that.

But I have a whole document of ways I'd change most of the arcs and the series in general. I'll just say a couple of them.

-Keep Vegeta dead
-No Potara fusion
-Make Gohan SS2 against Dabra and Boo
-Piccolo doesn't forfeit his match against the Kaioushin and fights him, but narrowly loses
-Give the Z-Sword magical properties that can negate Boo's magic and regeneration
I forgot to add no fusions or SS3. I agree your ideas, though. I just think that the Kaioshins would be a much more "down to earth" villain in the sense of no cheap regenerations or absorbtions. Also, completely get rid of Great Saiyaman.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:38 am

JBoogie wrote:Also, completely get rid of Great Saiyaman.
You want to get rid of one of the best things in the arc?
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Re: So this is how I would change the last arc of the series

Post by JBoogie » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:51 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
JBoogie wrote:Also, completely get rid of Great Saiyaman.
You want to get rid of one of the best things in the arc?
I completely disagree with that. I think it's completely stupid and adds to the complete disrespect that Gohan's character was given post-Cell.
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Re: So this is how I would change the last arc of the series

Post by Cipher » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:58 am

This is how I would change the last arc:

Goku is dead. Mr. Satan is in charge of America. Gohan spirals down a desperate, drug-hazed road as Piccolo attempts to snap him back. There are no villains; there are only the Kaioshin, monstrous worm creatures who seek water for their planet and have big GUNS. As the Kaioshin raze cities by burrowing through sewers and also shooting things, Gohan attempts to put his life back together with the help of a lady of the night named Videl. Goku watches from the afterlife unable to help, and devotes himself to meditating until he can reach Super Saiyan 8, the Ocho, which he can envision but not yet manifest. Gohan goes to challenge the Kaioshin at the Hoover Dam with the help of Videl, but when he tries to fire a Kamehameha, he realizes he has lost his powers. Narrowly escaping, the two visit Capsule Corp., where Dr. Brief analyzes Gohan's cells and hypothesizes that until Gohan can believe in himself and accept the burden of responsibility, his powers will be unable to return. For a time, Gohan accepts life as an ordinary citizen, donning glasses and waltzing around West City in light-hearted musical montages. Although he's finally able to see Videl's mediocre rendition of The Importance of Being Earnest and begin to rekindle their recently damaged relationship, he knows at the back of his mind that the Kaioshin must be stopped. And Goku and Piccolo are working on a plan ...

From there, it would play out more-or-less as the series does from about the mid-Boo arc onward, as I feel that portion has fewer problems.

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Post by shonenhikada » Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:37 pm

How I would change DB Final Arc

1. Never introduce Videl into the series.

2. Keep the Super Hero concept for gohan (saiyaman was awesome) and have them fight beings in outer space. The series has been grounded in earth for to long.

3. Have Vegeta actually save the planet once with gohan takinga supporting role.

4. Make the Humans relevant again and actually showing some feats.

5. Keep Dabura, majin Buu and Babadidi as villians but change the plot so that it majin buu was spliit up into pieces and those pieces were placed in jars and scattered across the universe by the east kaioshin as his last final act before dying. Then have it that the villians wanted to collect these jars to reform buu and take over the universe.

6. Have them use the spacecraft from DBGT but with a bigger crew including Goten and trunks who hid aboard to follow the bad guys and stop them.

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Post by Dr. Machismo » Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:47 pm

That actually sounds pretty good. I would have done things differently, but not bad. Definitely better than what we got in the official story.
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Post by The Tori-bot » Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:14 pm

JBoogie wrote:2. I also would've had Future Trunks leave Present Trunks his sword, since he hadn't used it after he got out of the ROSAT.
He hadn't used it because it was broken by #18. Though I guess if you're changing a bunch of stuff about the last arc there's nothing stopping you from tweaking stuff from other arcs to make it fit. But just going by the AH arc as it is, Future Trunks would just be leaving his counterpart with a broken sword. :P
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Post by shonenhikada » Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:15 pm

Wow Akira Toriyama finally shows up. Awesome.

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Post by sonikku956 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:23 pm

Instead of the humans giving up, they should keep training and actually be useful, especially Yamcha and Chaozu.

Let Vegeta kill Boo.

Let Kaioshin actually fight.

Either let Goten get SSJ3 in extreme anger, or take all fusion and Goku's SSJ3 form.

Also, give Trunks a sword, and make #17 a main reccuring character. He was interesting.

Last, either let Goku stay alive or let him stay dead, but give Chichi the option of coming with him later on (I happen to like GokuXChichi a lot XD).

Now after the Boo saga, let Goten and Trunks become more fighting oriented, but to a lesser degree than the other Saiyans.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:27 pm

Only 2 things:
1) Leave Goku & Vegeta dead, with Ultimate Gohan & SS3 Gotenks taking care of Majin Boo together.
2) Making Gohan a proper Super Saiyan 2 against Dabra & Boo.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:28 pm

I don't think I'd change much in the long run really, I actually really like the Boo arc as it is. I would definitely give a bigger role to some of the background people than what they had gotten though. And as far as Videl goes, if we're talking about the manga, I'd have done more to show her and Gohan's relationship progressing (the anime did a bit better job on that I think).
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Post by Saiga » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:45 pm

The Boo Arc is waaaaaaaay too late to make the humans useful without it being a huge copout. :lol:

You'd have to have them salvaged much, much sooner than that.
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Post by jjgp1112 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:24 pm

Cipher wrote:Goku watches from the afterlife unable to help, and devotes himself to meditating until he can reach Super Saiyan 8, the Ocho, which he can envision but not yet manifest.
For some reason this made me burst out laughing.
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Post by Storm101 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:29 pm

If we're wanting an entirely new villain, I'd say the Shadow Dragon saga only done better would be the best idea. I've always thought fighting the Dragon Balls themselves was an awesome idea and that they were a little too overpowered to be used without any consequences.

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Post by CashmanX » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:32 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Cipher wrote:Goku watches from the afterlife unable to help, and devotes himself to meditating until he can reach Super Saiyan 8, the Ocho, which he can envision but not yet manifest.
For some reason this made me burst out laughing.

Maybe 'cause it's eight in spanish? :p
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Post by JBoogie » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:17 am

Saiga wrote:The Boo Arc is waaaaaaaay too late to make the humans useful without it being a huge copout. :lol:

You'd have to have them salvaged much, much sooner than that.
True. I thought of that, just didn't type it in.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:16 am

JBoogie wrote:
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JBoogie wrote:Also, completely get rid of Great Saiyaman.
You want to get rid of one of the best things in the arc?
I completely disagree with that. I think it's completely stupid and adds to the complete disrespect that Gohan's character was given post-Cell.
How is it a disrespect? And besides, the Cell arc was far too serious, so the Great Saiyaman was a much needed comical and light-hearted injection. Gohan was never this "badass warrior" that many envision him as, just because of Super Saiyan 2.

It's been 7 years, it's peacetime, he's settled down, and now he's going to high school for the first time mixing with strangers, fighting off criminals, and trying to keep his power as a secret so he can have a normal life for once. He's said himself, on numerous occasions, that he never liked fighting, and that he wanted to be a scholar, and the only times he ever fought were because he had to: when he was being forced, and/or to protect his family and friends.

The disrespect only came in when everything was building up to Gohan getting his power-up from the old Kaioushin, confronted Super Boo, and was winning...until Boo absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo, and Gohan got his face ground into the dirt and subsequently absorbed, leading to Gokuu coming back to life and having to save the day again.
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