The ending to the Vegeta Saga

[rkpres17]

I've been watching the redub almost every night on Cartoon Network because I've always wanted to see the Saiyan Saga done right and while not perfect, this version of the dub has been pretty good.

My serious problem, and what's motivated me to actually post, is at the end of the saga when Vegeta is defeated and Goku tells Kuririn to spare his life.

In the manga Kuririn says tells Goku that Vegeta isn't going to see the light like Piccolo but then here, Goku goes on and on about how Vegeta could turn to good and ally them someday. Great, except that Goku originally said that Vegeta would make a good sparring partner and when he saw Vegeta struggling to escape he thought "what a waste".

The main problem with this alteration isn't merely that something was changed but that when writing this version of the dub, the writers are already intimately familiar with everything that comes afterwards and so their perspective is filtered through the passage of time. This version of the dub should still have been written as if they didn't know what would happen later on and not dwell for so long on what Vegeta will become.

[gallagtor]

I know what you mean. What happened to Goku's selfish wish? Oh well, I don't think it modifies the story that much. Besides, most of the viewers have probably been watching for a while now and pretty much know that Vegeta becomes a good guy later on.

[sailorspazz]

I enjoyed watching the redub of these early episodes, since the first Gokuu-Vegeta battle is my favorite in the series, but I never had the chance to see it uncut before. I mentally cheered everytime a dumb error from the earlier dub was fixed (Gokuu's father is no longer a brilliant scientist, yay!) and it was great to see the sheer brutality of this fight unedited. And the way it ends with Vegeta crawling towards his spaceship as Krillin crawls after him, it's so intense and dramatic. It's been awhile since I read the manga, so I wasn't sure if Gokuu's speech was closer or more far off from the original, but with all the foreshadowing he was doing I suspected they were doing a little rewriting. Still, for the most part, it was a real treat to see this, even if it was the dub.

I did find myself missing Brian Drummond, though. I just loved his totally fucking crazy Vegeta voice. Chris Sabat didn't make him insane sounding enough ^_^ Can't wait to hear how Horikawa Ryo does it once the DVDs come out!

[Super Sonic]

They did a little bit of too much foreshadowing. For the original dialogue, the closest I know was the manga where King Kai says destroying Vegeta won't destroy the root of evil, not the roots. That was the only foreshadowing there was and Goku was more selfish. At least this time they didn't say that Yajirobe almost cut through his armor. Speaking of Mr. Drummond, before, he was doing double duty as Vegeta and Yajirobe. Though like Mr. Sabat does with most of his characters, he made them sound so different, some people wouldn't have caught that they were voiced by the same actor.

[Son Goku]

I've been watching the redub almost every night on Cartoon Network because I've always wanted to see the Saiyan Saga done right and while not perfect, this version of the dub has been pretty good.

My serious problem, and what's motivated me to actually post, is at the end of the saga when Vegeta is defeated and Goku tells Kuririn to spare his life.

In the manga Kuririn says tells Goku that Vegeta isn't going to see the light like Piccolo but then here, Goku goes on and on about how Vegeta could turn to good and ally them someday. Great, except that Goku originally said that Vegeta would make a good sparring partner and when he saw Vegeta struggling to escape he thought "what a waste".

The main problem with this alteration isn't merely that something was changed but that when writing this version of the dub, the writers are already intimately familiar with everything that comes afterwards and so their perspective is filtered through the the passage of time. This version of the dub should still have been written as if they didn't know what would happen later on and not dwell for so long on what Vegeta will become.

1. Welcome to the forums rkpres17
2. If you want to discuss the redub in general (not that I'm saying you have to) you can go to http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=1957
3. I personaly thought the redub speech was very good ( I thought it was a nice touch mentioning Piccolo Sr. )
4. Join the Diazex randomness forums (please? )

[Conan the SSJ]

They did a little bit of too much foreshadowing. For the original dialogue, the closest I know was the manga where King Kai says destroying Vegeta won't destroy the root of evil, not the roots. That was the only foreshadowing there was and Goku was more selfish. At least this time they didn't say that Yajirobe almost cut through his armor. Speaking of Mr. Drummond, before, he was doing double duty as Vegeta and Yajirobe. Though like Mr. Sabat does with most of his characters, he made them sound so different, some people wouldn't have caught that they were voiced by the same actor.

Yeah, there was FAR too much forshadowing, instances being of Kaio forshadowing Freeza's ambitions, Goku giving a forshadowing to Vegeta and how he'll not only become a good guy, but indeed sacrifice his life for them much later on in the Buu arc.

[Son Goku]

Speaking of Yajirobe, who else was reminded of Mr. Satan when he slashed Vegeta's armor (except, unlike Satan, Yajirobe actually did something)?

[Sun_Wukong]

I've been watching the redub almost every night on Cartoon Network because I've always wanted to see the Saiyan Saga done right and while not perfect, this version of the dub has been pretty good.

My serious problem, and what's motivated me to actually post, is at the end of the saga when Vegeta is defeated and Goku tells Kuririn to spare his life.

In the manga Kuririn says tells Goku that Vegeta isn't going to see the light like Piccolo but then here, Goku goes on and on about how Vegeta could turn to good and ally them someday. Great, except that Goku originally said that Vegeta would make a good sparring partner and when he saw Vegeta struggling to escape he thought "what a waste".

The main problem with this alteration isn't merely that something was changed but that when writing this version of the dub, the writers are already intimately familiar with everything that comes afterwards and so their perspective is filtered through the the passage of time. This version of the dub should still have been written as if they didn't know what would happen later on and not dwell for so long on what Vegeta will become.

1. Welcome to the forums rkpres17
2. If you want to discuss the redub in general (not that I'm saying you have to) you can go to http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=1957
3. I personaly thought the redub speech was very good ( I thought it was a nice touch mentioning Piccolo Sr. )
4. Join the Diazex randomness forums (please? )

When did you become all high and mighty?

[Zackarotto]

1. Welcome to the forums rkpres17
2. If you want to discuss the redub in general (not that I'm saying you have to) you can go to http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=1957
3. I personaly thought the redub speech was very good ( I thought it was a nice touch mentioning Piccolo Sr. )
4. Join the Diazex randomness forums (please? )

When did you become all high and mighty?

I don't know if some kind of feud is going on between you two or what, but something is clearly wrong with your definition of high and mighty. Lay off him.

[Sun_Wukong]

It irritates me that he's been here a little under a month and he's already bossing people around, correcting grammar, saying what not to do, ect. Not to mention he seems to be posting just for the sake of getting his post count higher. I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just wish he would back off.

[Zackarotto]

The way I see it, he welcomed a member, suggested they check out another similar topic, and complemented them on a point. All nicely. On the other hand, you've been moderating people's actions as if it were your place to do so. It's getting annoying.

I'm not taking sides or anything, and I'm not trying to do any moderation of my own, either. I realize Son Goku has made a few unimportant posts, but he's aware of it too.

While I'm here, Son Goku (others too), I want to say that the constant plugs to Daizex Randomness everywhere are starting to become an annoyance. Maybe you can try to recruit people to the board when greeting them in the introductions section, but that's probably it.

Besides, you aren't even linking them to Randomness when you do it. Do you expect people to actually find it on their own with no place to look? It's trouble for people who are interested in checking it out, and it's trouble for the others, because we have to see it over and over again, knowing that it's not even benefiting anybody.

I can't enforce anything, I don't want to, and it's not my place, but I'm just speaking common sense. I only hope you all see it that way, too. If these arguments drag on too long, interesting topics will be locked because of it.

[Son Goku]

It irritates me that he's been here a little under a month and he's already bossing people around, correcting grammar, saying what not to do, ect. Not to mention he seems to be posting just for the sake of getting his post count higher. I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just wish he would back off.

I don't correct grammar and I'm sorry I post a lot. Look, I'm sorry if I've angered you for some reason.

To end all join randomness posts, the link is now in my signature.

[Sun_Wukong]

I'm laying this to rest before i get myself banned.

Back on topic, was anyone else as dissapointed as I was by the Goku vs Vejiita fight? I had been hearing for years, "Oh, they cut so much out. Oh, its really a lot more gory and violent than Saban's version." In reality, Saban left most of it in. I was expecting something like you'ed see in Berserk, with all the hype it got. All the uncut really added was that it felt longer than it needed to be.

[VegettoEX]

Let me remind you all that none of you are moderators. Sadly, it seems that whatever needs to be said has already been said, and there's nothing else for me to add to the situation (for me to actually do my job).

Continue on, please, with the topic at hand.

[rkpres17]

Yeah, there was FAR too much forshadowing, instances being of Kaio forshadowing Freeza's ambitions, Goku giving a forshadowing to Vegeta and how he'll not only become a good guy, but indeed sacrifice his life for them much later on in the Buu arc.

Exactly. When I watched the episodes, in 1998, I remember being surprised when Vegeta actually sided with Gohan and Kuririn when he realized the Ginyu were coming. Now, if you weren't familiar with the series and wanted to watch the series properly, in order, you wouldn't be.

I was expecting something like you'ed see in Berserk, with all the hype it got. All the uncut really added was that it felt longer than it needed to be.

It was never really so much the violence that one would feel was missing so much as the consequences of the violence which was hypocritical. If there isn't any blood and no one seems too badly hurt then Saban is giving the idea that being thrown against rocks is okay, which isn't what they intended.

[Duo]

I, personally, think the first dub was superior in the one respect that a lot of Filler was REMOVED. Quite frankly, they actually brought it closer to the Manga in that respect. The lines however, did suck at times so I'm glad for that fix...though they still aren't up to the par with the Manga, as they should be.

[Son Goku]

Makes me wish there was a guide to tell me what was filler and what wasn't. *sigh*
Actually, I once planned to edit each episode's filler out and dub in the manga's lines where they belong .

[Duo]

Go to a Bookstore and buy the Shonen Jump Graphic Novels. They are 8 dollars each. That's your guide.

Also, this very site has a guide for a couple of the episodes that may give you a general idea...also, I could just name off a bunch and that too may give an idea, thought most of it is inserted so cleverly it blends, such as elongated punch and dodge scenes that last 5 minutes and the length of transformations and blasts.

[rkpres17]

My rule of thumb is that if it looks like it's there just to fill up time then it's probably filler.

[Son Goku]

I'm not going to use my money just to see what was filler or not. I'd rather buy it to enjoy the experience.

I meant more the type of filler most of the "last ten minutes" of Freeza vs Goku was. It blended in so well at times.