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Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:55 pm

Kuririn is said to be the strongest human in Dragon Ball, so in real life, and alive, which human would be at or near Kuririn's level? Okay maybe it's exaggerating comparing a real life human to Kuririn, but still.

There were a lot of super strong humans but they died because they did more than the human body's capable of.

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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:33 pm

All the real-life strongest men in the world were breakfast for Kuririn since he was a kid. There is no Z-Senshi that can be compared to any real-life being.
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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by mattymoron » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:33 pm

I think the only person that's even remotely comparable to any real person would be Mr. Satan, and even then, you're talking about a huge bear of a man who is ALSO one of, if not the, best non superhuman martial artists on the planet. Toriyama's "lol, Bob Sapp", comments aside.
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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by Fizzer » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:18 pm

Mr Satan would be around the level of the strongest men in the real world. People have been known to slowly pull small aeroplanes and trucks and stuff, on shows like World's Strongest Man, and that's roughly where Mr Satan is. Maybe Yamcha when we first meet him, Luanfan, Colonel Silver and other characters from early on could be comparable to real world people too. It's funny that in the real world, Mr Satan would actually be incredible and possibly the legitimate strongest man.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:34 pm

Fizzer wrote:Mr Satan would be around the level of the strongest men in the real world. People have been known to slowly pull small aeroplanes and trucks and stuff, on shows like World's Strongest Man, and that's roughly where Mr Satan is. Maybe Yamcha when we first meet him, Luanfan, Colonel Silver and other characters from early on could be comparable to real world people too. It's funny that in the real world, Mr Satan would actually be incredible and possibly the legitimate strongest man.

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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by Insertclevername » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:45 pm

Kuririn is a super human, who, by the end of the series was comparable to Captain Ginyu. I don't think any normal human being in our reality could compare to him. Mr. Satan, as others have said, does sound more plausible.
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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by mister yummy » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:42 pm

LOL, Ginyu. I'd say that's a vast underestimation of Krillin's power. The man trained with Kaio for a while in the Buu Saga, had his powers unlocked by The Eldest Namek, and trained his entire life with all of his superhuman buddies. Give him 2nd form Freeza level power, at least.

And I'd put Tenshinahn even stronger. Yamcha somewhere close by too.

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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by Roland_ELoG » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:11 am

My take on it was, when Krillin was described as the strongest human that put him ABOVE Yamucha and Tenshinhan (both of whom are nominally human).

Not sure how much sense it makes for Krillin to be stronger than the guy who actually DID go up against Cell and Buu. But definitely stronger than Yamucha.
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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by mistershin » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:39 pm

Uub should be the strongest human

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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by Rory » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:01 pm

mister yummy wrote:LOL, Ginyu. I'd say that's a vast underestimation of Krillin's power. The man trained with Kaio for a while in the Buu Saga, had his powers unlocked by The Eldest Namek, and trained his entire life with all of his superhuman buddies. Give him 2nd form Freeza level power, at least.

And I'd put Tenshinahn even stronger. Yamcha somewhere close by too.
Boo arc 'training' stuff isn't really canon to the manga (and even if it were, it was insanely brief), and even after the Saichoro-sama zenkai, he still got steamroll'd by Reacum.
Kuririn (though an amazing fighter), hit his peak during the Artificial Human arc. I doubt that any human fighter's base power in Dragon Ball is much of a match form Freeza's first form. Just because you're training with stronger people, doesn't mean you'll always be as strong, or even comparable to them. Humans and Saiyans are two very different beings, with different limits.
Besides, does Kuririn ever prove himself to be stronger than Freeza's 2nd form in the series? He's pretty outclassed beyond that arc, and isn't really able to do a whole lot.

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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by Toadster » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:06 am

Saying Krillin is Ginyu level is a really conservative estimate of his strength... Really conservative.

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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by Ketchup_Revenge » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:39 am

Toadster wrote:Saying Krillin is Ginyu level is a really conservative estimate of his strength... Really conservative.
I disagree.
The only reason why you power load him is because you're so used to seeing power levels from Super Saiyans (and other beings) that are not only well above average, but quite frankly, border-line unnatural and just plain freakish.
In all honesty, in the DB universe that we've seen, the average fighter has a PL that is below 15,000. Putting him at Ginyu's level puts him well above average, and far above any human that had come before him at that point in time (except for perhaps Tenshinhan at the end of the series).

People always forget that Super Saiyans, or even Ginyu force levels for that matter, are not the norm in the universe. Those are the abnormal ones. Based on Krillin's (perhaps) 45,000 in the Freeza saga, and then his maybe three years of training for the Androids (which was his last serious training period), I don't put him any higher than 200,000, if that. Humans aren't like Saiyans. They don't get zenkai or have transformations, so I don't see any point in giving him ridiculous levels like Saiyans would have.

But of course we all know that Toriyama doesn't care about consistency. So for all we know, he could put him at 12,000,000 by the end of the series for no logical reason.
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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by Fox666 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:13 am

Toadster wrote:Saying Krillin is Ginyu level is a really conservative estimate of his strength... Really conservative.
I don't see why. He wasn't strong like Ginyu at the Namek saga, and he was useless for the rest of the series.

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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by Fizzer » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:59 am

Krillin and Gohan got destroyed by Recoome while fighting him together, shortly after receiving their huge power-up (to an unnatural level, for even the strongest humans) from the Great Elder, and after that point Krillin never got another notable power-boost. Unless he trippled his already unthinkable power by doing sit-ups at Kame house, he couldn't equal Ginyu. He was already beyond the natural limits of any super-human, and I think it's because he got that power-up and Ten didn't that he's the most powerful human - it gave him power that a human couldn't bring out or surpass by just training.

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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by Thanos » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:28 pm

I feel like Tenshinhan surpassed Kuririn by the Cell era. And by the Buu era there's no way Kuririn surpasses him.
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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by soulnova » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:42 pm

Well, the strongest (not magically enhanced) human would have to be either Videl or Kirano. Remember that blonde guy from the 28th Tournament? Vegeta commented he was the strongest of all of them, didn't he? So I guess he was also stronger than Mr.Satan at that point. Nothing compared to the Z gang, though.
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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by Olympian » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:53 pm

Roland_ELoG wrote:My take on it was, when Krillin was described as the strongest human that put him ABOVE Yamucha and Tenshinhan (both of whom are nominally human).

Not sure how much sense it makes for Krillin to be stronger than the guy who actually DID go up against Cell and Buu. But definitely stronger than Yamucha.
Did you meant "abnormally human"? There is nothing remotly normal about any of the main humans when it comes to power level and Martial Arts prowesss. They crossed that line when they were still in the Tournaments.
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Re: Strongest human alive comparable to Kuririn?

Post by mister yummy » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:58 pm

Nominally would mean "in name". It has nothing to do with normalcy.

I just don't see Krillin even bothering to show up for the Androids if he hadn't gotten stronger than Captain Ginyu. Same for Yamcha and Tenshinhan. Notice Chaotzu didn't show.

Honestly, we don't know what kind of training Krillin got up to in those 3 years, or in the 7 years that followed the Cell Games. He grew his hair out and quit fighting, but that may have happened months ago instead of years. We don't see him meaninglfully fight anyone after Freeza, so it's hard to judge.

The way I see it, the humans seem to get to wherever Goku was in the prior arc. In the Saiyajin Saga, Krillin trains with Kami to eclipse what Goku did training the same. in the Namek Saga, his hidden power is unlocked, bringing him just beyond where Goku was after training with Kaio. I'd say the same for Ten and Yamcha with their training with Kaio.

So, by the Androids, going with that logic, I'd put Krillin at between 90,000 and 180,000 to put a number on it. In the Buu Saga, after his Kaio training, more like 900,000 to 3,000,000. Just to keep up with where base Goku was in the previous arc. He's sparring with 18 regularly before that, and who knows what sort of training he got up to. I see no reason this couldn't be close to accurate.

It's all conjecture though. No way to know for sure.

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