Forms of a Super Saiyan

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Forms of a Super Saiyan

Post by Khanage » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:49 pm

So as apart of my Dragon Ball journey, I had many theories on things that happened during the series's and the first I'm going to put out is my theory on the forms of the Super Saiyan.

Firstly, the 'Pseudo' Super Saiyan from movie 4. Obviously we know that wasn't the actual form of a Super Saiyan, I rather think that it was a state of extreme Kaio-Ken. Goku had taken the Kaio Ken to such an extent that what King Kai warned about taking Kaio ken too far did happen, however Goku being a Saiyan of such power was put into an extremely powerful and reasonless state as opposed to being destroyed. Goku essentially took the Kaio Ken to its limit and was breifly overtaken by it, the state which King Kai calls the Super Saiyan.

Super Saiyan 1: The hair is lifted by the increase of energy, with the hair being charged with a particular force, potentially electrostatic however it would have to have an attractive force acting on it too.

Super Saiyan 2: Mainly just an immense energy increase as we can see the electricity radiating off the Saiyan, and in the case of Future Trunks, his hair was lifted completely showing the strength of that initial electrostatic force that lifted the hair, as it is overcoming the repulsive force.

Super Saiyan 3: All the hair of the Saiyan has been converted to head hair, thus the longer hair and the lack of eyebrows. The deeper voice is a physically possible feat for someone who is to breathe very deeply, which would constitute as a Dragon Ball Z equivalent of someone channeling their energy really well.

Golden Oozaru: Essentially a Super Saiyan Oozaru, and the form that the legendary Super Saiyan took, being only able to channel such energies in this powerful Oozaru form.

Super Saiyan 4: I actually reckon this is not another Super Saiyan transformation, but is rather the Super Saiyan and Oozaru meeting equilibrium or at least are Super Saiyan dominant. It is obvious that the Golden Oozaru state is one where the Oozaru is the dominant transformation, as the Saiyan is not thinking clearly, whereas the Super Saiyan 4 state controls and utilises the Oozaru power, but in the form of a Super Saiyan as opposed to the other way around. A more Super Saiyan heavy version of this Super-Saiyan-Ooozaru equilibrium would be when Goku becomes a Super Saiyan with a tail, he is significantly stronger than without the tail, thus utilising the Oozaru side of him.

I think that might be the main part of what I wanted to say about the Super Saiyan, or at least everything I can remember. What do you lot think about this? Particularly the Psuedo Saiyan which is a very open one
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Re: Forms of a Super Saiyan

Post by InfernalVegito » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:22 pm

Trunks was never SSJ2. I think you mean dai san dankai for him.
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Re: Forms of a Super Saiyan

Post by Son_Gohan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:13 pm

I'd disagree that Pseudo Super Saiyan had anything to do with the Kaio-ken. Kaio himself doesn't recognize that power coming from his own technique, but rather from Super Saiyan. If the Kaio-ken were taken to such an extreme it would've probably wrecked his body afterwards, yet he appears to be fine. Not to mention Goku does use an apparently high multiplier of Kaio-ken near the end of the film when Piccolo gives him his energy; there's a distinct difference shown.

It is established to be Super Saiyan power but without the true form itself. I interpret it as Goku being at a stage where he has the power to become a Super Saiyan but doesn't willfully enact the emotional trigger to undergo the transformation. So when Lord Slug backs him into a corner, Goku's Saiyan instincts begin to fully surface itself and take control as a defense mechanism, simultaneously separating him from consciousness and drawing out some of that Super Saiyan power for him. Similar in a way to the Oozaru transformation and also how Gohan's tail grew back when his life was in danger.

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Re: Forms of a Super Saiyan

Post by Khanage » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:51 pm

InfernalVegito wrote:Trunks was never SSJ2. I think you mean dai san dankai for him.
You're right, I didn't even realise that wasn't SS2, in which case I guess it makes more sense that the dai san dankai was an exertion of power thus increasing the physical energy (thus the hair going up), while SS2 is again a form of equilibrium (due to Gohan getting the speed and power in the right balance) in which the extra energy that trunks force channels in certain places in his body (the same way for us, tension can lie different places in the body), Gohan managed to balance it out throughout his whole body and we see it through his aura.
Son_Gohan wrote:I interpret it as Goku being at a stage where he has the power to become a Super Saiyan but doesn't willfully enact the emotional trigger to undergo the transformation. So when Lord Slug backs him into a corner, Goku's Saiyan instincts begin to fully surface itself and take control as a defense mechanism, simultaneously separating him from consciousness and drawing out some of that Super Saiyan power for him. Similar in a way to the Oozaru transformation and also how Gohan's tail grew back when his life was in danger.
I quite like this explanation much more than mine, it does make more sense and Saiyans would only naturally have these unconscious defences embeded in them, being a warrior race. Obviously those of a higher power level would be capable of much stronger measures (Psuedo Super Saiyan) than those not as strong. Thanks for that!

Also I think I generally have a problem with phrasing myself, so hopefully you get the drift of what I'm saying
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Re: Forms of a Super Saiyan

Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:12 pm

I really like your idea behind Psuedo-Super Saiya-Jin, but I agree that it can't be that. It can probably be dismissed as Toei logic.

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