Could have Vegeta's Final Flash fully killed Perfect Cell?

[Angelus]

Perfect Cell dodged it on the last second, which resulted to having half of his torso blown away. Had Perfect Cell decided to take it head on and was full engulfed in Vegeta's Final Flash, would it have completely killed him or would it just have resulted to an SPC?

How different would have the beam struggle, between SPC and SSJ2 Gohan, had been if Vegeta chose to charge his Final Flash to the same level of power as he did before (instead of just shooting a regular Ki Blast... or was that a Big Bang attack without screaming the technique's name)?

On that note, would have Android 16's explosive fully killed Perfect Cell... or would it have yet again resulted to an SPC?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Cell didn't dodge it at all and no Vegeta's final flash would not kill Cell. Fpssj Goku would tank that attack like a pro and Cell is much stronger than him at full power. 16's bomb would likely result in a SPC.

[Angelus]

Watch the clip again, Vegeta didn't miss. Cell moved and the only part that got hit was one side of his torso.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhqWhcPszwc

[TheMightyOzaru]

Watch the clip again, Vegeta didn't miss. Cell moved and the only part that got hit was one side of his torso.

OK no. Cell was very clearly hit, he is also still standing where the beam hit. He took it head on.

[Angelus]

Cell was standing still and ready when Vegeta was charging and was about to fire the beam. But when the beam started to come Cell's way, he moved... as a result, after the beam subsides, you could see Cell's body position-- slanting to the side. He dodged it. I know that beam looked giant but somehow Cell's slight change of position was enough to dodge it... otherwise, Android 16 would have also been blown completely to bits if the beam was 1:1 scale with the animation. That beam animation was gigantic. That blast aura was probably nearly as big as Australia or something.

Besides, you think a blast so charged up that long is so much less powerful than Goku's few seconds charged Kamehameha that blasted half of Cell's body off? The gap between ASSJ Vegeta and MSSJ Goku isn't large enough to make Vegeta one-hit material for Goku, you know. Sure, Vegeta is far weaker but he's no ant when compared to Goku.

[TheMightyOzaru]

No Cell did not move, you see the Final Flash touch him. He in no way moved. Goku scared Vegeta shitless with only half his power... He ain't doing' shit to Goku.

[Bussani]

I think whether Cell dodged or not is a bit irrelevant to the original question: could Final Flash have killed Cell if it had engulfed him? Considering what it did to the part of him that it hit, I'd say it's possible, although technically making the attack wider would probably make it less potent. And even if it were just as powerful, but wider, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cell's core somehow survived.

Fpssj Goku would tank that attack like a pro

I'm not so sure about that. For a while now I've been wondering if the really big ki attacks (the "I'm putting all of my power into this and it can destroy the world and more" sort of attacks) were becoming so powerful that even a stronger opponent wouldn't be able to simply tank them anymore--that is, that the destructive power of their finishing attacks was increasing faster than their regular defences. That said, if they take the time to gather their ki and go into a defensive stance, I suppose anything's possible.

[Hitiro]

I think whether Cell dodged or not is a bit irrelevant to the original question: could Final Flash have killed Cell if it had engulfed him? Considering what it did to the part of him that it hit, I'd say it's possible, although technically making the attack wider would probably make it less potent. And even if it were just as powerful, but wider, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cell's core somehow survived.

Fpssj Goku would tank that attack like a pro

I'm not so sure about that. For a while now I've been wondering if the really big ki attacks (the "I'm putting all of my power into this and it can destroy the world and more" sort of attacks) were becoming so powerful that even a stronger opponent wouldn't be able to simply tank them anymore--that is, that the destructive power of their finishing attacks was increasing faster than their regular defences. That said, if they take the time to gather their ki and go into a defensive stance, I suppose anything's possible.

The main difference between tanking a blast and firing one though is that a character can only tank up to their maximum output. But firing a technique allows a character to do damage several times their own maximum output. We see this at the beginning of the Saiyan arc where Goku's Kamehameha over doubled his Ki or Battle Power output and Piccolo's Makankosappo tripled his. Both techniques Raditz felt were a danger if her were to take them head on, with only Goku's Kamehameha being the one Raditz could block without danger.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The multipliers likely don't even double ones power anymore. 1.1-1.5x increases are more likely at this point.

[Bussani]

The multipliers likely don't even double ones power anymore. 1.1-1.5x increases are more likely at this point.

Are you sure? Perfect Cell was already much stronger than Super Vegeta (even without his true power), but the Final Flash still did enormous damage to him. I was left with the impression that the Final Flash was way more powerful than Super Vegeta's regular strength, personally.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The multipliers likely don't even double ones power anymore. 1.1-1.5x increases are more likely at this point.

Are you sure? Perfect Cell was already much stronger than Super Vegeta (even without his true power), but the Final Flash still did enormous damage to him. I was left with the impression that the Final Flash was way more powerful than Super Vegeta's regular strength, personally.

I have no doubt that it's stronger but it isn't stronger than half of fpssj Goku's power since Vegeta was quite awestruck by it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If thee Final Flash had gotten all of Cell's body? Definitely.

The multipliers likely don't even double ones power anymore. 1.1-1.5x increases are more likely at this point.

You mean that the techniques got weaker because the users got... stronger?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I guess. Assuming attacks still had something crazy like a 3x multiplier, Goku's IT kamehameha would have killed Cell for sure. Goku's IT kamehameha is definitely stronger than Vegeta's Final Flash and it hit Cell head on. BTW Cell didn't move away from the Final Flash, you can see it make contact with his body head on.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Cell didn't survive Goku's & Vegeta's Kamehameha & Final Flash because the rest of his body withstood the attacks. Whatever the ki blasts managed to hit, it went away.

BTW Cell didn't move away from the Final Flash, you can see it make contact with his body head on.

The Final Flash was clearly heading to the center of his body, but the resulted damage shows that it only managed to hit only half of his body. He is completely unscratched in the rest of his body, and his injury even had the round shape of the ki blast. Cell moved away.

[TheMightyOzaru]

OK you can't seriously tell me with a straight face that the Kamehameha didn't hit all of Cell can you? It hit the entirety of his body. I suggest you go back and read that portion of the manga. No Cell merely aloud the Final Flash to remove half his body to mess with Vegeta.

[Saitou Hajime]

IIRC Trunks said that Vegeta tampered with his shot at the last second to avoid damaging the Earth. His ecstatic reaction to what happened to Cell indicated to me that he really didn't expect any more substantial damage that what was actually inflicted.

[Saiga]

For a while now I've been wondering if the really big ki attacks (the "I'm putting all of my power into this and it can destroy the world and more" sort of attacks) were becoming so powerful that even a stronger opponent wouldn't be able to simply tank them anymore--that is, that the destructive power of their finishing attacks was increasing faster than their regular defences.

You know, I was actually wondering the same thing. It was the impression I got - earlier in the series you had things like Goku's Super Kamehameha doing light damage to Piccolo when Goku's actually stronger - and then fast forward to the Cell arc and Goku wipes out half of Cell's body with his Shunkan-Ido Kamehameha, despite Cell being stronger than him.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

OK you can't seriously tell me with a straight face that the Kamehameha didn't hit all of Cell can you?

The Kamehameha eventually managed to hit all of his body, yes. But when the Kamehameha first hit the upper part of Cell's body, so in other words, that part took the most damage.

[TheMightyOzaru]

You're kinda digging your own grave here. You imply that if Vegeta's Final Flash hit all of Cell he would have been killed yet...

Goku's Kamehameha, which is stronger, hit all of Cell yet he lived. It's fairly apparent to me that Cell willingly let half his body go, in both cases, to mess with Vegeta and Goku.

[Saiga]

That isn't apparent at all, in either case. Nothing hints to Cell allowing it to happen in that image.