Re-Dub music thoughts

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:19 am

What are your thoughts on the new dub BGM? I personally think its a whole lot better than anything Faulconer ever did. Though I really wish they wouldnt use synthesizers. It just really shows how cheap they are.

SaiyamanMS · Post by **SaiyamanMS** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:38 pm

Personally, I prefer Faulconer's stuff to the Re-dub, some of Faulconer's stuff was pretty good... (Also, it's what I heard back when I began watching during the mid Cell saga... So possibly a bit of nostalgic value too...) Although the Redub is a hell of a lot better than Menza's GT...

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:31 pm

After having put up with some of the awful, inappropriate stuff Bruce has made for the series and immediately shutting off my TV after hearing Mark Menza's crap on GT, I'd say I'm very pleased with how the redub music came out.

Sometimes it'll tend to drown out the sound effects once in a while, but a lot of the music fits the scenes properly. Not to mention there's actually SILENCE when it's necessary. No goofy music during fight scenes, either. Although I'm curious as to what the hell is with the opening and ending themes? The opening seems more like a commercial than an opening.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:37 pm

I've caught maybe... like... four episodes of this redub nonsense since it started (not a whole Hell of a lot of interest in them). Last night was one of them.

I laughed my ass off at how absolutely ridiculous that music was during the Ginyu-Tokusentai posedown. Easily one of the worst things I've ever heard in my life. It was a cross being twangy country music and childish pop-techno. Done by a penguin. That's been dead for a year. Frozen beneath a glacier.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:12 pm

VegettoEX wrote: I laughed my ass off at how absolutely ridiculous that music was during the Ginyu-Tokusentai posedown. Easily one of the worst things I've ever heard in my life. It was a cross being twangy country music and childish pop-techno. Done by a penguin. That's been dead for a year. Frozen beneath a glacier.

I don't want to put down your opinion or anything like that but I would have to say that the new "Ginyu Force Theme" is probably my favorite piece from the redub. The craziness and sillyness of it just seems to fit the Ginyu Force very well. Especially when they are going through their nutty poses.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:37 am

Sometimes the music can be bad, especially when it'll be loud. But most of the time it's a lot more fitting than Mr. Falcunor's or Menza's work. They've had their fair share of crap too (the crazy "circus" music and the GT opening for starters).

gallagtor · Post by **gallagtor** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:37 am

I don't really like the redub music that much. At least Faulconers stuff was memorable.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:21 am

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the dub music Ocean Studios used for seasons 1 and 2. I think that was by far the best. While not quite on par with the Japanese BGM overall, a lot of it was good.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:16 am

VegettoEX wrote:I've caught maybe... like... four episodes of this redub nonsense since it started (not a whole Hell of a lot of interest in them). Last night was one of them.

I laughed my ass off at how absolutely ridiculous that music was during the Ginyu-Tokusentai posedown. Easily one of the worst things I've ever heard in my life. It was a cross being twangy country music and childish pop-techno. Done by a penguin. That's been dead for a year. Frozen beneath a glacier.

What happened to chimp randomly banging on the keyboard?

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:34 pm

Jerseymilk wrote: What happened to chimp randomly banging on the keyboard?

He went into retirement and handed it over to the penguin.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:13 pm

Am I like the only person left who still finds changing the music in a series to be completely deplorable? I'm sorry, but I just can't quite wrap my head around it...why is the music changed? I honestly can't even comprehend it, what's the point? Especially since they're marketing this dub as true to the original...

Anyways, I haven't seen any of the episodes yet, but I've heard the opening/ending themes. And if the BGM is anything like that, then I'd have to say that I hate it.

PS: The opening scared the crap out of me. They really worked up the whole "MURDERKILLBLOODDEATHDIEMOTHERFUCKER" angle on the series. Then the ending was like Starbuck's java music...

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:57 pm

DBW wrote:Am I like the only person left who still finds changing the music in a series to be completely deplorable? I'm sorry, but I just can't quite wrap my head around it...why is the music changed? I honestly can't even comprehend it, what's the point? Especially since they're marketing this dub as true to the original...

Anyways, I haven't seen any of the episodes yet, but I've heard the opening/ending themes. And if the BGM is anything like that, then I'd have to say that I hate it.

PS: The opening scared the crap out of me. They really worked up the whole "MURDERKILLBLOODDEATHDIEMOTHERFUCKER" angle on the series. Then the ending was like Starbuck's java music...

You aren't the only one who finds music changing that way, I do as well. Which is why original Dragonball is my favorite dub anime comedic/action-wise, FUNi treat OG DB awesomly. FUNi had their shots at GT and the DBZ redub to give us original music once more, but did they take it? Oh no, they say they do it to have the American viewers intrested, but wasn't this (the DBZ redub) originally a DVD only release and intended for the hardcore viewers? After the original DB series and original releases of the first 3 DBZ movies, we know it's POSSIBLE to have the original BGM for the trilogy, but FUNi's logic will never be fully explained.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:26 am

DBW wrote:PS: The opening scared the crap out of me. They really worked up the whole "MURDERKILLBLOODDEATHDIEMOTHERFUCKER" angle on the series. Then the ending was like Starbuck's java music...

Hahahaha, yeah.

It's slightly off-topic (but still sorta on-topic), but am I the only one who sits there and notices how all the "awesome" filters they use on the new opening theme (which mainly consists of "Shine" in After Effects and some red masks) does nothing but make the footage actually look *even worse* than it already is...? We don't watch it often, but everytime Meri and I see that, it just makes us cringe.

Oh yeah, and the song's very long and terrible

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tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:32 am

VegettoEX wrote:It's slightly off-topic (but still sorta on-topic), but am I the only one who sits there and notices how all the "awesome" filters they use on the new opening theme (which mainly consists of "Shine" in After Effects and some red masks) does nothing but make the footage actually look *even worse* than it already is...? We don't watch it often, but everytime Meri and I see that, it just makes us cringe.

Oh yeah, and the song's very long and terrible .

I actually don't mind the look of the opening, it's unique. Then again, I've only seen it a couple times.

And yes, the opening lasts forever. To quote my girlfriend the first time we saw it:

"The hell? Are they TRYING to show the entire first saga in the opening or something?"

And tarsonis, I liked the music for the Ocean dub too. Up here in Canada, we kept the music and Ocean Group VAs for the whole series. Unfortunatly, they didn't really add any new songs past what they did for the first two seasons. As uch, the music kind of got a little annoying in the end.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:02 am

tealsmith wrote:Up here in Canada, we kept the music and Ocean Group VAs for the whole series. Unfortunatly, they didn't really add any new songs past what they did for the first two seasons. As uch, the music kind of got a little annoying in the end.

Er, not really.

We got the Saban dub for the first 2 seasons, then we got the FUNi dub up until the late Cell saga (I think around episode 170?), then we got the Ocean VA's back again beyond that, but the music used for those later episodes is recycled from Megaman and such.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:11 am

Oh Lord don't remind me of that recycled music again! Did they really think we wouldn't notice? I can tell plain and simple that that piece was already used in Monster Rancher people, stop being so cheap!

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:37 am

DBW wrote:
tealsmith wrote:Up here in Canada, we kept the music and Ocean Group VAs for the whole series. Unfortunatly, they didn't really add any new songs past what they did for the first two seasons. As uch, the music kind of got a little annoying in the end.
Er, not really.

We got the Saban dub for the first 2 seasons, then we got the FUNi dub up until the late Cell saga (I think around episode 170?), then we got the Ocean VA's back again beyond that, but the music used for those later episodes is recycled from Megaman and such.

My mistake. You're right, we did keep Funi until around the time Gohan fights Cell (I remember everyone's voice changing slightly except Cell's... his changed completely, went to sounding like #17 on helium).

And I honestly thought the music was recycled from the first two dub seasons, by the end of the show it seemed like I'd been listening to the same damn tracks forever. Probably because due to YTV's new listing at the time, instead of getting to see DBZ 5 days a week, I got to see it once a week. Going through the majority of the Buu Saga like that gets kind of annoying

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:31 am

DBW wrote:Am I like the only person left who still finds changing the music in a series to be completely deplorable? I'm sorry, but I just can't quite wrap my head around it...why is the music changed? I honestly can't even comprehend it, what's the point? Especially since they're marketing this dub as true to the original...

You're not the only one..I've pointed out before that I think changing the background music in anything, dbz or not, is just a bad, bad idea. There are reasons why certain songs were used to begin with, and you destroy the original mood by changing them. Some of the dub music is ok if you let it stand on its own, but the real problem is simply the fact that the music was changed at all..it's not necessarily a problem with the actual songs chosen.

VegettoEX wrote:am I the only one who sits there and notices how all the "awesome" filters they use on the new opening theme (which mainly consists of "Shine" in After Effects and some red masks) does nothing but make the footage actually look *even worse* than it already is...? We don't watch it often, but everytime Meri and I see that, it just makes us cringe.

Yep, the intro works ok as a music video I suppose, but as an intro, it's terrible. Two minutes of nonstop fighting isn't what an intro should consist of. One thing funimation hasn't seemed to grasp is that the Japanese intros manage to capture the whole spirit and theme of DBZ much better than the dub intros. Of course, I've seen this happen with other dub intros from other companies though.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:05 am

tarsonis wrote:Yep, the intro works ok as a music video I suppose, but as an intro, it's terrible. Two minutes of nonstop fighting isn't what an intro should consist of. One thing funimation hasn't seemed to grasp is that the Japanese intros manage to capture the whole spirit and theme of DBZ much better than the dub intros. Of course, I've seen this happen with other dub intros from other companies though.

I'm not even talking about mood or perception... I'm talking strictly the visual quality of the footage on the screen. The ridiculous crap they pull with all those "effects" just winds up making the footage look even older and even granier than it already is.

I'm actually shocked FUNimation has something in their contract about being able to digitally alter the footage at their will like that. Most companies specifically have items with their licenses that state the domestic companies can in no way, shape, or form actually alter the apperance of the footage (beyond TV censoring, which is different... I mean stuff like making music videos with digital effects... most companies and properties can't have that done).

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:11 pm

I think it's absolutely freakin' hilarious that you can switch the audio tracks on the redub intros on the DVDs (The Japanese and redub intros are exactly the same length). So you can have all that messed-up kill! death! blood! with "Cha-La Head-Cha-La" playing as the music (and vice-versa). Of course, that was probably already mentioned on the "redub thoughts" topic that came up back when the new DVDs first started coming out, but I never visited that topic I believe, so I wouldn't know. Forgive me if it has been mentioned.

But yeah, DBW, I have to agree with you on the ending theme. "Summon up the Dragon" over and over and over... it almost makes me laugh when you hear him say it in that Donald Duck voice. What's THAT all about?