Need official Power Levels for Dragonball

[Akira]

No, relax, this is not a debate topic of any sort. I can retrieve those read by scouters in Dragonball Z from my Manga collection, however those from Dragonball are only available in the Daizenshuu volumes. Every website that claims to have these listings contradict each other, and I get the sneaking suspicion that there is the filth of "Opinions" entered into those listings. When it comes to power levels, you use the official listings from the guides or Mangas or nothing else.

So anyway, does anyone have the listings exact from the Daizenshuu guidebook? I'd like to have them for my own personal listing.

[Zackarotto]

I wouldn't worry about it. Even if you just go by daizenshuus alone, the power levels don't make sense. Or so I've heard, seeing as I've never personally seen one.

[Akira]

They did make sense, I had a link to a website that had them translated directly from the Daizenshuu guide and had not interjected any opinions into it at all. That site doesn't have that section anymore, it appears to have been removed when they merged with another site.

Everyone else just uses opinions or puts in thier own ideas and that is why so many guides you see online are so far off.

[Dayspring]

Allow me to go ape-tit in research for you. It'll be tomorrow though since I'm leaving for school and only get home at 11pm (plus I'm sick ).

I liked the concept of PLs, just not the making up crap fanboys made followed by the condescending of them by elitists.

There are very few "problems" in the daizenshuu, actually. Off the top of my head I can only come up with 2.

[El_Diablo]

Some of those are hideously wrong

[Xyex]

The only thing actually 'wrong' with those is Raditz's level. And, my continuing contention that kid Goku had to be higher than 10 and that the Farmer with Shotgun is not a represenative of the average Human power thus making it higher than 5.

[Super DC]

Besides the fact that Goku didn't equal Tenshinhan or Piccolo Daimao, when he fought them.

[B-kun]

Actually, I remember hearing (on Greg's site?) that Toriyama said he loves the Goku VS Tenshinhan fight because their battle power was equal.

And speaking of Greg's site...

http://www.thegrandline.com/dbzinfo/littleknown.html

Power levels in there.

[tealsmith]

Besides the fact that Goku didn't equal Tenshinhan or Piccolo Daimao, when he fought them.

Actually, on the chart he does equal them. 180 for both Goku and Tenshinhan at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, and 260 for both Goku and Daimao in their final battle.

And I always found it hard to believe Goku only had a power level of 10 at the beginning of DB.

[Sun_Wukong]

Oh god, Power Levels are such an ugly, ugly thing.

[Akira]

Thanks for that scan, man. I appreciate it. I can get the rest of the Z levels from my mangas, but if you have those pages scanned too, go ahead and show them if you would. Thanks in advance.

[Gamingdevil]

And I always found it hard to believe Goku only had a power level of 10 at the beginning of DB.

Me too, I mean he described bullets as "awchies" (after being hit with them) only being twice as powerful as a regular human

[Xyex]

And I always found it hard to believe Goku only had a power level of 10 at the beginning of DB.

Me too, I mean he described bullets as "awchies" (after being hit with them) only being twice as powerful as a regular human

Which also branches into my idea that the average Human PL can't be 5. That farmer was seriously out of shape. I'd say that 8 to 10 sounds better for your average Human... Man, this is making me want to do my OWN DB PL list again... I've tried before but it's hard to get it to match to the DBZ opening pls. :/

[Dayspring]

Other Daizenshuu PLs include:

Bardock = 10,000
Nappa (max)= "In the 4,000s"
Zarbon = "Around" 23,000
Dodoria = "Around 22,000"
Nail = 42,000 "which is 10x that of the average Namekkian" (which we know to be wrong since the anime+manga showed 3,000 as the strongest)
Elite Namekkian warriors who fought Freeza before Nail (anime filler) = 10,000 each.
Piccolo (fused with Nail) = 1 million

Source is the bio section of the same daizenshuu.

The other page of the PL section provided by El_diablo also gives info not shown in the manga.

Goku's actual PL vs the Ginyu squad (without kaiokens) is 90,000.
Gohan's PL after Saichoru's increase: 14,000
Krillin " " " : 13,000
Vegeta's after being healed by Zarbon: 30,000

Actual PLs against the Saiyans:
Piccolo = 3,500
Tenshinhan = 1830
Chaozu = 610
Krillin = 1770
Yamcha = 1480

Goku vs Freeza: 300,000
SSJ Goku: 15,000,000
Freeza (50% of his 4th form): 6,000,000
Freeza (max): 12,000,000


Concerning the PL of 10 for Goku in early DB, note that he was shot only once and with a pistol so damn weak it didn't even give BULMA, who held it with only one hand, any recoil at all. Added to that, the shot managed to knock him over and all but gave him a concussion.

You're thinking too literally. "Twice as strong" in this case probably doesn't mean you can benchpress twice as much. It refers to everything physical about him. Plus the farmer, despite his obesity, is a frickin' farmer! Remove his daily exercise and his weight problems would probably cause him to become weaker than the average human.

My guess is 10 is just the strength of the weakest adult fighters on Earth, which is why Goku being that strong at only age 12 is a big deal. At this strength, he's probably get eliminated in the first match of the preliminaries at the budokai. Note that during DB he was only progressing in strength at the speed of an elite human because of Kamesennin's elite training, and that the super-elite only had PLs in the 100-200 range. If not for his saiyan adaptiveness, which had exceptionally little training until his fights with Piccolo, he'd probably only be as strong as Krillin.

When you take all this into consideration, the rate of growth of Goku is very believable. Also, it's only at the very end of DB that Goku learns to train his spirit, which is where he places all his emphasis from then on. Remember, Goku's PL of 416 is JUST his body PL. His true PL was 928. Against Piccolo in the budokai, he might have already had a max PL above 416.

[B-kun]

Was my post completely ignored? I mean, Dayspring went into more detail, but I tried to help.

[Akira]

Yeah I appreciate all the help and links given to me. Thanks to everyone trying to help me with this.

[Rocketman]

Nappa (max)= "In the 4,000s"

That doesn't sound right either. Didn't Goku say the fight with Nappa could go on forever before he used the Kaioken?

That would put Nappa up near 8,000 at max.

[Super DC]

Goku vs Freeza: 300,000
SSJ Goku: 15,000,000
Freeza (50% of his 4th form): 6,000,000
Freeza (max): 12,000,000

Wait how come the numbers 3.000.000 and 150.000.000 for Goku and 60.000.000 and 120.000.000 for Freeza in the French daizenshuu. And the Japanese translation checks out to be the same way.

[Xyex]

That's the 'supposed offical powers' as made for the Daizenshuu's originally. Other translations have since come out with the lower PLs. Personally, I take the lower ones as the true ones and the originals as typos or just plain absurdity. Going from 90,000 to 3,000,000 is just way too much of a Zenkai.

[tealsmith]

That's the 'supposed offical powers' as made for the Daizenshuu's originally. Other translations have since come out with the lower PLs. Personally, I take the lower ones as the true ones and the originals as typos or just plain absurdity. Going from 90,000 to 3,000,000 is just way too much of a Zenkai.

Agreed.

Besides, the image above shows Goku as being at 90 000 upon arrival on Namek. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he at 180 000?