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ssg god vegeta or sgg goku

Post by Vegeta12 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:04 pm

Who do you think is going to be stronger in the ssg god form. I personally think its vegeta sense vegeta held his forms much better then goku and remember wants piccolo said when vegeta was ssj he was stronger then goku.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:13 pm

Vegeta12 wrote:Who do you think is going to be stronger in the ssg god form. I personally think its vegeta sense vegeta held his forms much better then goku and remember wants piccolo said when vegeta was ssj he was stronger then goku.
That was back in the early Android Arc. In the beginning of the Buu Arc, Goku's Super Saiyan 2 form was so much stronger than Vegeta's that he was forced to allow Babidi to increase his power to match Goku. Goku surpassed Vegeta's Super Saiyan form after his and Gohan's time in the Room of Space and Time, and Vegeta never closed the gap. They seemed pretty even during their fight when Vegeta was under Babidi's spell, though, and he may have kept that powerup even after he returned to normal.

About Vegeta holding his forms better though, where do you get that from? Goku trained himself to be able to stay in SSJ1 without using up energy, while Vegeta trained to increase his power using an energy draining form. Aside from SSJ3, Goku has always conserved energy in SSJ better than Vegeta.
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Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:16 pm

Goku. He's the main character, Vegeta may become stronger for a short period if he reaches SSjG, but he won't permanently stay above Goku. I think them being equals someday is more likely. :)

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:19 pm

Sorry, didn't answer the question. I also think Goku, for the same reasons as above.
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Post by Vegeta12 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:34 pm

This is just my opinion. I think the Oozaru state and Super Saiyan God are similar, and if you control the the Oozaru state you might be able to control the SSG form.

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Post by DBZ Mick » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:52 pm

Goku.

I think he's just got a natural gift above Vegeta. He also is more passionate about fighting/getting stronger.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

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Post by Vegeta12 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:18 pm

Not trying to be rude but goku aint gifted. Vegeta is naturally gifted at 5 years old he killed 5 saibaman like they were nothing. Goku as an adult couldnt handle raditz. Vegeta just born can kill raditz XD.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:30 pm

Vegeta12 wrote:Not trying to be rude but goku aint gifted. Vegeta is naturally gifted at 5 years old he killed 5 saibaman like they were nothing. Goku as an adult couldnt handle raditz. Vegeta just born can kill raditz XD.
Well, if you want to be technical, Goku is the youngest of the surviving Saiyans. When he reaches the age Vegeta was when he arrived on Earth, he was far stronger than Vegeta. :D
But seriously, Goku an enormously gifted fighter. He used a Kamehameha after seeing it once, while it took the techniques creator 50 years to master. He's a gifted strategist, as shown in his fight with Piccolo, and his development of the mastered Super Saiyan state. He has a talent for winning over former enemies, such as Tien, Piccolo, and Vegeta, to his side.
Also, consider Goku's training. In only a year, he had gone from being around 1/3 of Raditz's strength, to being over 6 times as strong. Later on, he gets over 10 stronger in 6 days on the way to Namek. His training methods are generally superior to Vegeta's, and this is shown after their time in the Room of Space and Time, where Goku goes from being weaker than Vegeta before they entered, to being vastly stronger. Goku may have been held back early on in his life due to training on Earth, but once the other Saiyans showed up, he quickly caught up with and surpassed them.
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Post by Vegeta12 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:37 pm

Well when they meet on earth vegeta power level is 18,000 and goku's is 9,000. Only way goku reached vegeta's power level with the kaioken if not king kai everyone would be dead. Plus imagine if vegeta had all that training

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:40 pm

Vegeta12 wrote:Well when they meet on earth vegeta power level is 18,000 and goku's is 9,000 only way goku reached vegeta's power level with the kaioken if not king kai everyone would be dead. Plus imagine if vegeta had all that training
Goku's is actually 8000, the 9000 was a dub error.
Vegeta was stronger when he first arrived, but the next time they met, right after Goku arrived on Namek, he was 3 times stronger than Vegeta. Again, after 6 days of training.
Also, afterwards, Vegeta does gravity training that far surpassed what Goku did on Kaio's planet. And they both trained under the same extreme conditions in the Room of Space and Time, and Goku came out far stronger.
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Post by Vegeta12 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:55 pm

Because goku almost died. Saiyans strength increase a lot in a near death experience plus goku knew how train. Vegeta tortured himself when he trains. Goku eats and gets sleep. Vegeta would train for a year straight without resting or eating.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:05 pm

Vegeta12 wrote:Because goku almost died. Saiyans strength increase a lot in a near death experience plus goku knew how train. Vegeta tortured himself when he trains. Goku eats and gets sleep. Vegeta would train for a year straight without resting or eating.
And what about their training during the Cell Arc? Vegeta went into the room stronger than Goku,and was in there for the full year. Goku was only in there 8 months, and still ended up stronger than Vegeta.
Part of being a gifted fighter is knowing how to train. Goku is much better at this than Vegeta.
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Post by MDSTSSJ » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:09 pm

Vegeta12 wrote:Because goku almost died. Saiyans strength increase a lot in a near death experience plus goku knew how train. Vegeta tortured himself when he trains. Goku eats and gets sleep. Vegeta would train for a year straight without resting or eating.
Don´t make any sense. If this were so, Vegeta had already done since it´s purpose has always been to surpass Kakarotto.

Food and rest are an important parts of being stronger!!

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Re: ssg god vegeta or sgg goku

Post by Vegeta12 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:34 pm

Imagine if goku and vegeta learned each others techniques. They'd get much stronger

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Post by Saiga » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:55 pm

BoG had Vegeta being stronger than Goku, so as far as BoG is concerned I think SSG Vegeta would be stronger.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:13 pm

Saiga wrote:BoG had Vegeta being stronger than Goku, so as far as BoG is concerned I think SSG Vegeta would be stronger.
It was brief and a shoenen moment. If Chi Chi or Videl were in a similar predicament, I could see Goku and Gohan doing the same thing.
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Post by Saiga » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:33 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Saiga wrote:BoG had Vegeta being stronger than Goku, so as far as BoG is concerned I think SSG Vegeta would be stronger.
It was brief and a shoenen moment. If Chi Chi or Videl were in a similar predicament, I could see Goku and Gohan doing the same thing.
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I thought BoG implied that Vegeta was already stronger, just not stronger than SS3 Goku until he got that random-ass rage boost?
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Post by MDSTSSJ » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:43 pm

Vegeta12 wrote:Imagine if goku and vegeta learned each others techniques. They'd get much stronger
If they had done sparring between them, it is possible that they had become eve more stronger!

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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:48 pm

Saiga wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:
Saiga wrote:BoG had Vegeta being stronger than Goku, so as far as BoG is concerned I think SSG Vegeta would be stronger.
It was brief and a shoenen moment. If Chi Chi or Videl were in a similar predicament, I could see Goku and Gohan doing the same thing.
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I thought BoG implied that Vegeta was already stronger, just not stronger than SS3 Goku until he got that random-ass rage boost?
Not that i'm aware of. The only time Vegeta is mentioned as stronger is in the shoenen boost which is listed as brief and not permanent.
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Post by Saiga » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:57 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Not that i'm aware of. The only time Vegeta is mentioned as stronger is in the shoenen boost which is listed as brief and not permanent.
Ah, right. Well I guess both of them would be the same strength - I think Vegeta would be just as strong as Goku after his Majin powerup and I don't think Goku would pull ahead of him by the time of BoG.
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