How come Vegeta is stable in his Oozaru form?

[Kid Buu]

I've always wondered but how come Vegeta was able to control his Oozaru form, but Goku and Gohan weren't?

Was it because Vegeta was just that powerful, or he knew a way to learn how to master it, etc?

[Kamiccolo9]

I've always wondered but how come Vegeta was able to control his Oozaru form, but Goku and Gohan weren't?

Was it because Vegeta was just that powerful, or he knew a way to learn how to master it, etc?

I am almost certain it says somewhere that elite Saiyans train to master the transformation. Couldn't tell you where though.

[B]

I guess the same way pulling his and Nappa's tails don't bother them, they've trained enough to overcome their shortcomings.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Because they already are oozarus in human form.

[NANLIT]

Goku and Gohan were raised on Earth and had no idea that they had the ability to transform until the fight with Vegeta as they had no memories of when they were transformed. As a result, they had no way to know that they needed to undergo training to master the form. And by the time they found out (Vegeta fight), Goku's tail had long ben removed and Gohan's never grew back after Vegeta cut it off, so there was no way to train the form afterwards.

Vegeta, on the other hand, grew up knowing he was a Saiyan and that he could transform. Therefore, it would make sense that he would train to master the form since he'd be using that form to wipe out civilizations.

[GTx10]

I've always wondered but how come Vegeta was able to control his Oozaru form, but Goku and Gohan weren't?

Was it because Vegeta was just that powerful, or he knew a way to learn how to master it, etc?

I am almost certain it says somewhere that elite Saiyans train to master the transformation. Couldn't tell you where though.

Which brings up a interesting thought. How do you train a rampaging giant gorilla to be sane? I could only imagine how many life's and planets were lost in trying to train a Saiyan.

[Kid Buu]

I've always wondered but how come Vegeta was able to control his Oozaru form, but Goku and Gohan weren't?

Was it because Vegeta was just that powerful, or he knew a way to learn how to master it, etc?

I am almost certain it says somewhere that elite Saiyans train to master the transformation. Couldn't tell you where though.

Which brings up a interesting thought. How do you train a rampaging giant gorilla to be sane? I could only imagine how many life's and planets were lost in trying to train a Saiyan.

Yeah, I'm just wondering, how did he train his Oozaru form to be controllable?

[Kamiccolo9]

Yeah, I'm just wondering, how did he train his Oozaru form to be controllable?

Well, unlike Goku and Gohan, Vegeta as a child would have been around people strong enough to keep him under control as an Oozaru. And remember that Goku and Gohan didn't transform very often, and there were large gaps in between transformations. Maybe enough repeated transformations allows them to condition themselves to be rational while transformed?

[Draken]

Maybe it's something like SSJ to MSSJ. Except, a whole lot more extreme.

Yeah, I'm just wondering, how did he train his Oozaru form to be controllable?

Well, unlike Goku and Gohan, Vegeta as a child would have been around people strong enough to keep him under control as an Oozaru. And remember that Goku and Gohan didn't transform very often, and there were large gaps in between transformations. Maybe enough repeated transformations allows them to condition themselves to be rational while transformed?

Didn't Vegeta say he was stronger than his father even as a child?

[Kid Buu]

Maybe it's something like SSJ to MSSJ. Except, a whole lot more extreme.

Yeah, I'm just wondering, how did he train his Oozaru form to be controllable?

Well, unlike Goku and Gohan, Vegeta as a child would have been around people strong enough to keep him under control as an Oozaru. And remember that Goku and Gohan didn't transform very often, and there were large gaps in between transformations. Maybe enough repeated transformations allows them to condition themselves to be rational while transformed?

Didn't Vegeta say he was stronger than his father even as a child?

Yeah, Vegeta says on Namek even as a child he had already surpassed his father.

[Kamiccolo9]

Yeah, but I doubt he was as a toddler or younger. And with Vegeta, it wasn't just his family around him; there were also Freeza's men. Any of them could probably restrain an Oozaru toddler Vegeta.

[Ringworm128]

I've always assumed that it has something to do with Vegeta being a super elite Saiyan, maybe elites and super elites are not only born with high battle powers but also higher mental capabilities. Sparking Meteor seems to support this idea by having Nappa and King Vegeta stable while Raditz, Tullece etc become mindless monsters.

[Travis Touchdown]

Didn't Bardock and his crew talk about how the following day after transforming felt like it was all a dream? I almost thought that implied they were rampaging mindless were-gorillas instead of stable calculating warriors. I think the games' what-ifs have the other saiyans as mindless. It's always baffled me why Vegeta is seemingly the one and only stable one.

[Kamiccolo9]

Didn't Bardock and his crew talk about how the following day after transforming felt like it was all a dream? I almost thought that implied they were rampaging mindless were-gorillas instead of stable calculating warriors. I think the games' what-ifs have the other saiyans as mindless. It's always baffled me why Vegeta is seemingly the one and only stable one.

Well, as the guy above said, Nappa was also stable in the games. I believe it's just the elites who can control the transformation.

[matt0044]

Didn't Bardock and his crew talk about how the following day after transforming felt like it was all a dream? I almost thought that implied they were rampaging mindless were-gorillas instead of stable calculating warriors. I think the games' what-ifs have the other saiyans as mindless. It's always baffled me why Vegeta is seemingly the one and only stable one.

That was mostly in the dub.

[matt0044]

Goku and Gohan were raised on Earth and had no idea that they had the ability to transform until the fight with Vegeta as they had no memories of when they were transformed. As a result, they had no way to know that they needed to undergo training to master the form. And by the time they found out (Vegeta fight), Goku's tail had long ben removed and Gohan's never grew back after Vegeta cut it off, so there was no way to train the form afterwards.

Vegeta, on the other hand, grew up knowing he was a Saiyan and that he could transform. Therefore, it would make sense that he would train to master the form since he'd be using that form to wipe out civilizations.

This pretty much.

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[SaintGabriel77]

I'm pretty sure it's because of his royal blood, but I could be wrong

[Jackal puFF]

Someone should ask Toriyama this question. We all know it's from training but how? Maybe someone helped him kind of like a dog.

[Darkprince410]

It might simply be tied to age (excluding GT, of course). Goku and Gohan were both children when they transformed, whereas Vegeta was an adult. It might be that as their mind matures as they grow older, their ability to control the Oozaru form develops as well.

[Kid Buu]

It might simply be tied to age (excluding GT, of course). Goku and Gohan were both children when they transformed, whereas Vegeta was an adult. It might be that as their mind matures as they grow older, their ability to control the Oozaru form develops as well.

Speaking of GT, refresh my memory on Golden Oozaru:

1.) Goku cannot control himself
2.) Bebi Vegeta able to control himself

Correct?