Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline?

[IIMaxII]

Here's my theory:

Because Trunks is a baby when A-19 and C-20 arrive those events play out A-19 is killed by Vegeta, after Goku dies from the virus. C-20 releases C-17 & C-18, C17 kills C-20 and C-17 and 18 kill our heros'. I have no idea where A-16 would fit in though...o.O

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

He might've had time to dispose of him before activating 17 & 18 in the future.

[IIMaxII]

Possibly...but what could effect that? How could he get more time?

[Kamiccolo9]

It could have happened like that, but you'd have to assume that Gohan either wasn't there, or that he just didn't tell Trunks about 19.

[Gaffer Tape]

Pre- or post-retcon? Because considering that Trunks originally told Goku it was #19 and #20 who attacked his future, there was certainly a point in the story where they existed in his timeline. But I'm assuming you mean post-retcon in which case... hmm. I tend to say no, but others have pointed out that, like in the original timeline, the rest of the group defeated them first and were then killed by #17 and #18, in which case Trunks might never have known about them. But I find that a bit hard to believe because you'd think Gohan or somebody would have told Trunks about them at some point. Or at the very least, Gohan might have mentioned it to Blooma at the time it happened, who, in turn, would have found it necessary information to give to her son who was going back in time to warn others. So I'm inclined to believe that they didn't exist at all because I find that makes more sense.

[SSJ4_Zankuto]

Yes. I assume, when #17 and #18 destroyed Dr. Gero's lab to smithereens, this means #16 and #19 was destroyed along with the explosion. Then only one survived the explosion.

[Mjb1985]

One issue I keep running into is was Vegeta a Super Saiyan during this timeline? If so. , how strong was he? One would think Gohan wouldn't dream of attacking the Androids if he were weaker than Vegeta and he lost to them. Yet Vegeta with Super Saiyan during the Trunks Saga should be pretty darn close to Goku already. There's no space.

This situation is similar. Trying to make sense out of a difficult situation. How could Trunks know the exact date and time they attacked and not know it was 19 and 20. Considering the retcon , this is a scenario that can't really be fixed.

[Saiga]

I believe that they did appear in Trunks' timeline, since Trunks mentions them to Goku. I know about the retcon but I try to rationalize it by Trunks being told 19 and 20 attacked, and assuming the current Androids were 19 and 20, before he returned to his timeline and found out they were 17 and 18 (probably in a battle with them). Then he just assumed Gohan was mistaken in saying 19 & 20 attacked and didn't consider other Androids.

It's not a perfect explanation but the best that I have.

[IIMaxII]

It could have happened like that, but you'd have to assume that Gohan either wasn't there, or that he just didn't tell Trunks about 19.

Well I have a theory that Yamacha was killed by C-20 and that Gohan took him home, because I remember that Gohan didn't fight the androids afterwords Piccolo told him to leave.

[Kamiccolo9]

It could have happened like that, but you'd have to assume that Gohan either wasn't there, or that he just didn't tell Trunks about 19.

Well I have a theory that Yamacha was killed by C-20 and that Gohan took him home, because I remember that Gohan didn't fight the androids afterwords Piccolo told him to leave.

Well, Trunks says that Yamcha was killed in the battle with the others. That sounds to me like they all died in the same fight.

[IIMaxII]

I'm going with everything played out the same way, except C-17 and C-18 were much more ruthless and actually killed our heroes, because Trunks was with Bulma, and Gohan wasn't there, We can deduce that it was in fact how it played out. I know Trunks also says the Androids have unlimited energy, but maybe they don't? and eventually got weaker when they fought Trunks? I mean blasting all those buildings etc...It's not scientifically possible to have an everlasting energy source. Vegeta was super saiyan as-well...why wouldn't he be?

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm going with everything played out the same way, except C-17 and C-18 were much more ruthless and actually killed our heroes, because Trunks was with Bulma, and Gohan wasn't there, We can deduce that it was in fact how it played out. I know Trunks also says the Androids have unlimited energy, but maybe they don't? and eventually got weaker when they fought Trunks? I mean blasting all those buildings etc...It's not scientifically possible to have an everlasting energy source. Vegeta was super saiyan as-well...why wouldn't he be?

Well, actual science and Dragonball don't really go together all that well I've always felt that the Androids in Trunk's timeline were just as strong as the ones in the past, but didn't go all out agains Trunks because it was more fun for them to leave him alive. It's not like Trunks can sense their actual power to compare the two sets of Androids.

[IIMaxII]

I'm going with everything played out the same way, except C-17 and C-18 were much more ruthless and actually killed our heroes, because Trunks was with Bulma, and Gohan wasn't there, We can deduce that it was in fact how it played out. I know Trunks also says the Androids have unlimited energy, but maybe they don't? and eventually got weaker when they fought Trunks? I mean blasting all those buildings etc...It's not scientifically possible to have an everlasting energy source. Vegeta was super saiyan as-well...why wouldn't he be?

Well, actual science and Dragonball don't really go together all that well I've always felt that the Androids in Trunk's timeline were just as strong as the ones in the past, but didn't go all out agains Trunks because it was more fun for them to leave him alive. It's not like Trunks can sense their actual power to compare the two sets of Androids.

Nah those Cyborgs were ruthless they did go all out, and instead of science we'll use logic.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm going with everything played out the same way, except C-17 and C-18 were much more ruthless and actually killed our heroes, because Trunks was with Bulma, and Gohan wasn't there, We can deduce that it was in fact how it played out. I know Trunks also says the Androids have unlimited energy, but maybe they don't? and eventually got weaker when they fought Trunks? I mean blasting all those buildings etc...It's not scientifically possible to have an everlasting energy source. Vegeta was super saiyan as-well...why wouldn't he be?

Well, actual science and Dragonball don't really go together all that well I've always felt that the Androids in Trunk's timeline were just as strong as the ones in the past, but didn't go all out agains Trunks because it was more fun for them to leave him alive. It's not like Trunks can sense their actual power to compare the two sets of Androids.

Nah those Cyborgs were ruthless they did go all out, and instead of science we'll use logic.

They were sadistic. They even say when Trunks goes back to the future that they let him live because they didn't want to lose their "fun game."
What do you mean use logic? He said he developed an infinite energy. This is brought up numerous times, and is never contradicted. 17 even mentions in his fight with Piccolo that he'll win because his energy will never run out.

[IIMaxII]

They were sadistic. They even say when Trunks goes back to the future that they let him live because they didn't want to lose their "fun game."
What do you mean use logic? He said he developed an infinite energy. This is brought up numerous times, and is never contradicted. 17 even mentions in his fight with Piccolo that he'll win because his energy will never run out.

I would call that a plot hole more than anything, at least in my view, you don't have to believe it.

[Kamiccolo9]

They were sadistic. They even say when Trunks goes back to the future that they let him live because they didn't want to lose their "fun game."
What do you mean use logic? He said he developed an infinite energy. This is brought up numerous times, and is never contradicted. 17 even mentions in his fight with Piccolo that he'll win because his energy will never run out.

I would call that a plot hole more than anything, at least in my view, you don't have to believe it.

I don't see how a major plot point that the author brings up multiple times can be a plot hole, but ok. Whatever you want to believe.

[IIMaxII]

They were sadistic. They even say when Trunks goes back to the future that they let him live because they didn't want to lose their "fun game."
What do you mean use logic? He said he developed an infinite energy. This is brought up numerous times, and is never contradicted. 17 even mentions in his fight with Piccolo that he'll win because his energy will never run out.

I would call that a plot hole more than anything, at least in my view, you don't have to believe it.

I don't see how a major plot point that the author brings up multiple times can be a plot hole, but ok. Whatever you want to believe.

It's a plot hole because it's not possible, even in fantasy. My opinion, no point in arguing with it.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

It's not possible for a pig to talk and shapeshift, either

[IIMaxII]

It's not possible for a pig to talk and shapeshift, either

Depends if you believe in mythology, however for energy to be in constant supply with no source powering it, does not work no matter what.

[dbzfan7]

It's not possible for a pig to talk and shapeshift, either

Depends if you believe in mythology, however for energy to be in constant supply with no source powering it, does not work no matter what.

Its dragonball. There are flying cars, dinosaurs, and a dog is king of the world. Infinite energy without an explanation isn't out of the ordinary.