Post-Manga Head Canon?

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Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by Zephyr » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:25 pm

What is everyone's post-Z/post-manga/post-Buu head canon?

Mine would be:

- Movie 13, 2008 Special, and Battle of Gods between the battle with Buu and the 28th Budokai.
- Parts of GT:
- Baby arc that starts differently, and leads directly into the Evil Dragons arc (fuck the Super 17 arc)
- Parts of DBO:
- Namely, everything from the backstory up until the point where the remnants of Freeza's army are defeated by Earth's remaining warriors (save for the Majin race spreading and becoming widespread)
- I imagine the Makaioshin would end up causing trouble at some point

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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:26 pm

2008 Jump Special and Battle of Gods. Kabooms GT rewrite too
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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:37 pm

2008 Special, Movie 13, BOG-Not sure about the order of these, but they can work.
Parts of Online and GT. The one's that Zephyr picked look good to me.

Incidentally, there's a lot of the anime filler and a few of the movies that I accept as well. Most of the Saiyan arc filler, the Otherworld Tournament (aside from the dead people being "immortal" part), the Trunks Special (which I place higher than the manga version in my own canon), the Bardock Special, Movie 9, Movie 1 (Krillin knowing about Gohan notwithstanding. The manga has worse plotholes), Movie 5, and the Garlic Jr. Arc.
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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:41 pm

2008 special and BoG, that's about it for me. :P

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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:48 pm

Manga:
  • Kanzenban changes
  • Full Color/Colored Edition colors
Guidebooks:
  • Dragon Ball: Adventure Special
  • Dragon Ball: Daizenshuu 2, 4, and 7 (excluding anime-only information)
  • Dragon Ball: Chozenshuu 1 & 4 (excluding anime-only information)
  • Dragon Ball: Kanzenban Official Guides (Landmark & Forever)
  • Dragon Ball: Super Exciting Guides
Manga spin-offs:
  • Dragon Ball: Heya! Son Goku and Friends Return!! (manga adaptation)
  • Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock (manga adaptation)
Anime:
  • Dragon Ball Z: A Final, Solitary Battle: The Father of Z-Warrior Son Goku, who Challenged Freeza (though it happened a little differently, with Bardock's armor staying undamaged from Dodoria's attack, and the final scene happened as shown in EoB)
  • Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods (along with its guidebook)
Video Games:
  • Dragon Ball Online (along with its guidebook)
Other Toriyama manga:
  • Dr. Slump (manga)
  • Dr. Mashirito & Abale-chan (manga)
  • Neko Majin
Other:
  • Toriyama's interviews
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:58 pm

I never view GT or anything made purely from Toei as canon to the manga. I also don't think DBO could be canon to the manga seeing that AT never had anything to do with the story. I do view DBO as a alternate sequel to the manga kinda how Dracula the Un-dead (which was written by Bram Stoker's great grand-nephew) is to the original Dracula novel.
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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by Kaboom » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:59 pm

- Movie 13
- Battle of Gods
- Neko Majin
- GT Revised
- A small handful of events that are awfully similar but not necessarily identical to parts of DragonBall Online's history and just happen to fit with GT Revised's story.
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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:17 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I also don't think DBO could be canon to the manga seeing that AT never had anything to do with the story.
That's false.
Series creator Akira Toriyama has a great deal of creative control over the project, both contributing to and supervising the story and art design, including character and location arrangements. It has been stated that Toriyama has worked on character designs for this project for over five years.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:18 pm

Kaboom wrote:- Movie 13
- Battle of Gods
- Neko Majin
- GT Revised
- A small handful of events that are awfully similar but not necessarily identical to parts of DragonBall Online's history and just happen to fit with GT Revised's story.
You don't count the Jump Special?
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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by Kaboom » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:24 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:You don't count the Jump Special?
Whoops. No, I just temporarily forgot it existed. Go figure.
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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:26 pm

Kaboom wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:You don't count the Jump Special?
Whoops. No, I just temporarily forgot it existed. Go figure.
Ah, ok. Nice new avatar, by the way.
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Post by Dark Red Z » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:33 pm

BOG and GT.

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Post by Rocketman » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:35 pm

Nothing.

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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:19 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:I also don't think DBO could be canon to the manga seeing that AT never had anything to do with the story.
That's false.
Series creator Akira Toriyama has a great deal of creative control over the project, both contributing to and supervising the story and art design, including character and location arrangements. It has been stated that Toriyama has worked on character designs for this project for over five years.
But it didn't said that he wrote it. With BOG, I remember it said that he help write the script.
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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:39 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:I also don't think DBO could be canon to the manga seeing that AT never had anything to do with the story.
That's false.
Series creator Akira Toriyama has a great deal of creative control over the project, both contributing to and supervising the story and art design, including character and location arrangements. It has been stated that Toriyama has worked on character designs for this project for over five years.
But it didn't said that he wrote it. With BOG, I remember it said that he help write the script.
And he also contributed to the DBO story.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by B » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:01 pm

Pre-Storyline Events per the manga and supplemental guidebooks -> The manga proper through Chapter 517, plus all supplemental guidebooks -> JSAT -> Battle of Gods -> Chapters 518 and 519 -> Online.

Let's just say that there is a guy named Bardock and he did some things that we can't say for sure happened exactly as they purportedly played out, but he is certainly a guy who exists and is remembered by Freeza, yep yep yep.
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B wrote:Pre-Storyline Events per the manga and supplemental guidebooks -> The manga proper through Chapter 517, plus all supplemental guidebooks -> JSAT -> Battle of Gods -> Chapters 518 and 519 -> Online
This is pretty much the same as mine. I just throw in all Toriyama interviews and some stuff he contributed to the anime. I guess his epilogue for the Earthlings takes place between the end of the Boo arc and BoG.
Let's just say that there is a guy named Bardock and he did some things that we can't say for sure happened exactly as they purportedly played out, but he is certainly a guy who exists and is remembered by Freeza, yep yep yep.
Don't forget his crazy time traveling adventures in Online.
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  • Neko Majin
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Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:02 am

I consider Dragonball Online to be canon.
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Re: Post-Manga Head Canon?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:26 am

A random Freeza thug with a power level of >18,000 shows up and nukes the Earth from orbit while the heroes are lounging around, killing every single main character as they suffocate in space.

The end.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:30 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:A random Freeza thug with a power level of >18,000 shows up and nukes the Earth from orbit while the heroes are lounging around, killing every single main character as they suffocate in space.

The end.
This is now canon. It happens right after Goku flies off with Uub. Uub saw the ship in orbit, but Goku was too busy thinking about food and training to listen to Uub's warning.
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