Question about the human fighters

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:57 am

Were Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamucha and Chaozu simply born with more potential than every other human in history, or would any human warrior be capable of reaching their level of power if they had the same dedication and unique training opportunities?

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:20 am

James R. Cadwell wrote:Were Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamucha and Chaozu simply born with more potential than every other human in history, or would any human warrior be capable of reaching their level of power if they had the same dedication and unique training opportunities?

If I remember correctly, Kuririn had a huge untapped potential at the begining of Dragonball. So much that he was originally about the same strength as Goku as children, so he definatly had greater strength than a normal human even without special training.

Tenshinhan had great power because of his third eye thingy...Chaozu, well I don't think he's even human, and since he never becomes strong anyways it doesn't seem to matter.

I think the best example is Muten Roshi, even though he was once the Earth's strongest fighter, it took him 60 years to master the Kamehameha and he never learned to fly. Yamucha on the other hand picks up both techniques while he's still a young man.

So my guess is that the Z senshi indeed have greater potential than a normal human, since Roshi is probably the best example of a normal human.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:42 am

Well, Kame Sennin had to develop the Kamehameha, while Yamucha and Kuririn knew sorta how it's done.

(And Kuririn managed to pull it off on his first try, just like Goku. It can't be that hard to do as long as you've seen someone do it.)

Neon Z · Post by **Neon Z** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:37 am

If I remember correctly, Kuririn had a huge untapped potential at the begining of Dragonball. So much that he was originally about the same strength as Goku as children, so he definatly had greater strength than a normal human even without special training.

He was slower and weaker than Goku even at the begin of the training, and he cheated sometimes to look stronger. I don't know why most people think he was as strong as Goku at the begin. Yes, Kuririn was very strong for a boy(Kuririn stated he could run as fast a an olympic champion). But you also have to remember that Kuririn was one of the weakests at his old temple.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:42 am

Wouldnt it be pretty damn funny watching Vegeta or Piccolo doing the Kamehameah?

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:10 am

Yeah, it would... you just have to position your hands in the right way and fire a ki blast, though, so they easily could.

I know firing a ton of small blasts is a renzoku energy dan or whatever, but is there a name for each individual blast? I figured they were just nameless, tiny balls of ki, but I could be mistaken.

I think Roshi didn't have much potential. He just worked his ass off. Who would spend 3 years trying to get some water, even if you live forever? It might have took him a hundred years to figure out a kamehameha, so just because he actually invented it doesn't mean that much...

Dai · Post by **Dai** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:04 pm

Doesn't mean that much? You try devising an attack capable of destroying mountains, from scratch. I mean, the guy invented Ki manipulation. That couldn't have been easy. Besides that, he is without doubt the wisest when it comes to fighting, in the entire series.

And he's got a turtle. Yup.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:20 pm

Zackarotto wrote:Yeah, it would... you just have to position your hands in the right way and fire a ki blast, though, so they easily could.

Are you sure? I believe a regular ki blast is different from a Kamehameha, since the later allows you to focus all your bodies energy/ki on a specific point. Or something.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:40 am

I mean, the guy invented Ki manipulation.

Not true. Every friggin sentient race other than those of Earth can manipulate their KI in one way or another. If you mean he was the first human to manipulate KI, then you forgot about his master Mutaito, and possibly his rival, Tsurusennin.

And he's got a turtle. Yup.

But only ONE of which can fly. Yup.

Although he DID have a phoenix at one point, but it died so that doesn't count. Nope.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:58 pm

What an idiot! Who has a phoenix and lets it die?! It's a phoenix for God's sake! A phoenix!!

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:02 pm

Of food poisoning no less. A phoenix eats ASH for Christ's sake! What, did he give him semi-burned coal, mistaking it for ash??

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:33 pm

Maybe it was pepper.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:43 pm

Hee hee: Phoenix sneezes à la Lunch and turns into a falcon, THEN eats ash which is what kills it.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:49 pm

Or phoenix sneezes, blowing pepper towards Lunch, making her sneeze, turning her into "bad" Lunch, and she pulls out her automatic and fills it full of lead, leaving a pile of ash that was the phoenix!

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:53 pm

Bah! What are you, trying to create a plot hole?! That would insinuate that Roshi already knew Lunch prior to DB AND that the phoneix died of something other than food poisoning! Bow your head in shame!

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:54 pm

But, but that's how it was in the anime! Ya, that's it! Uhh, it was edited out for time restriction reasons, I didn't create the plothole, see?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:56 pm

And what about the manga?! The manga is artillery! ...or whatever word for Tank-sized guns you use to indicate "real". Bah! I defy your cannonization of the word canon! BAH! BAAAAAH!!

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:57 pm

Oh ya? Well, BAH infinity!!!!!!

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:59 pm

BAH infinity plus BAH to the exponent of BAH! That's right. I went there.

PS: BAH!!!

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:03 pm

Well, BAH "squared", BAH "cubed", BAH to the "tenth" power! And every other dang mathematical component there is!!! Oh, ya, plus infinity!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. BAH

P.P.S. BAH! BAH!

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