How strong is Hatchiyack?

[IAmAwesome]

I think that's how you spell his name. Okay so yeah like 3 days ago. I kick my brother's ass in RB2(His name is TheGMGoken on here. Troll him!) and won the HDTV while he got the 240p - 360p tv. So I notice I unlocked every character but 1. So I figure I had to watch that movie. It was average. Not bad not good. But I got Hatchiyack. But in the movie.... it stated
"His power is even greater then Broly". Meaning like what's his power. I know we need Broly's power first but telling how http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=23963Broly debates usually end here. But can we please try to keep it Hatchiyack based. Let's just see Broly is Cell at 100%(Perfect not Super Pefect). Let's expand on that please. I know my Broly power isn't official but jus pretend it is because I don't want issues on my thread.

[PerfectFreeza]

He is stronger than M8 LSSJ Broly by significant amount, since Kaio states he never felt ki like that before.
So really, it depends on where you have Broly.In your case, I guess he could be in between Buff Cell and FP PC.

[Kamiccolo9]

He is stronger than M8 LSSJ Broly by significant amount, since Kaio states he never felt ki like that before.
So really, it depends on where you have Broly.In your case, I guess he could be in between Buff Cell and FP PC.

This seems good to me. We can't really get an exact measurement since all we know is that Cell, Broly, and Hatchiyack were all way stronger than the guys they fought, so that's about as close a range as you can get.

[PerfectFreeza]

Well, there is still M10 Broly somewhat specifying his power.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well, there is still M10 Broly somewhat specifying his power.

Not to a specific enough degree that we could accurately measure Hatchyack though. If we could come up with an agreed on power for Broly, then a lot of the headaches from the last few weeks would have been avoided

[PerfectFreeza]

Using Gohan's statements in M10 about himself and Broly, I came up with this:
M8 LSSJ Broly - M8 Gohan=M10 SSJ Broly - M10 Gohan.
But since Gohan says he powered up, it actually makes M10 SSJ Broly stronger than M8 LSSJ Broly by the same amount Gohan powered up.
And since we have a clue about M10 SSJ Broly just surpassing Buu saga SSJ Goku, not being superior(like with Kaioshin and Piccolo), it kind of makes M8 LSSJ Broly weaker than FP PC.
Yes, it's mind-bending logic.

[Xeogran]

And there it is! Hatchiyack topic gets overtaken by Broly

Anyways, i take everything simply and that's my point of view on things: Hatchiyack second form=Super Perfect Cell>Hatchiyack>LSSJ Broly=Perfect Cell.


Toei seems to be on my side too.

[TheGmGoken]

And there it is! Hatchiyack topic gets overtaken by Broly

Anyways, i take everything simply and that's my point of view on things: Hatchiyack second form=Super Perfect Cell>Hatchiyack>LSSJ Broly=Perfect Cell.


Toei seems to be on my side too.

Toei is also on the side of Goku > Gohan and Vegeta > SSJ3 Gotenks.

[Kamiccolo9]

What is that picture from?

[TheGmGoken]

What is that picture from?

Dragonball HEROES commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH9_BSM2HoA

[PerfectFreeza]

Second form?You mean Super Hatchiyack?Or Giant Hatchiyack?
And DBH implies Base Goku can deflect Broly's blasts with ease.Since Freeza is stronger, then Freeza can actually fight Broly.See, that's that add's logic.

[Xeogran]

Second form?You mean Super Hatchiyack?Or Giant Hatchiyack?
And DBH implies Base Goku can deflect Broly's blasts with ease.Since Freeza is stronger, then Freeza can actually fight Broly.See, that's that add's logic.

Super Hatchiyack. With Super Saiyan Genki Dama (Something we see rarely) needing to kill him, we can measure that his power went into a whole another level. And without the distraction Ki blast-to-face he could have even deflected it.

Broly's blasts lack of logic in them. First one destroys a planet, then Piccolo deflects one with no difficulty =_=

[TheGmGoken]

Second form?You mean Super Hatchiyack?Or Giant Hatchiyack?
And DBH implies Base Goku can deflect Broly's blasts with ease.Since Freeza is stronger, then Freeza can actually fight Broly.See, that's that add's logic.

Super Hatchiyack. With Super Saiyan Genki Dama (Something we see rarely) needing to kill him, we can measure that his power went into a whole another level. And without the distraction Ki blast-to-face he could have even deflected it.

Broly's blasts lack of logic in them. First one destroys a planet, then Piccolo deflects one with no difficulty =_=

Then base Goku does the same.

[PerfectFreeza]

I don't know.The guy was unable to one shot the (probably) weaker Z-Fighters.SPC cut SSJ2 Gohan's ki in half.

[Xeogran]

I don't know.The guy was unable to one shot the (probably) weaker Z-Fighters.SPC cut SSJ2 Gohan's ki in half.

Because it was sadly, a game. I know it's an excuse, but a true one. Non-canon villains don't have the privillege to kill any characters. ALTHOUGH, we have a scene where he kills all of the fighters. And regardless he forced them to eat Senzu Beans too, which almost counts as a win.

[Ringworm128]

Acording to some article posted in V-Jump Broli has a PL of 1,400,000,000 but I don't really take it seriously because it causes inconsistencies.

[TheGmGoken]

Acording to some article posted in V-Jump Broli has a PL of 1,400,000,000 but I don't really take it seriously because it causes inconsistencies.

Don't go by V-jump. It stated Gogeta was 2,800,000,000. Which makes Gogeta's base 56,000,000. Which makes Base Gogeta weaker than SSJ Goku because Cooler power in V-jump is 470,000,000. Which makes Gogeta not only weaker than SSJ Goku but Cooler and FREEZA

[RandomGuy96]

Acording to some article posted in V-Jump Broli has a PL of 1,400,000,000 but I don't really take it seriously because it causes inconsistencies.

That, along with Cooler's 470,000,000, can work. They just have to be scaled differently, since both movies are set in different timelines. Broly just has to be around Initial Perfect Cell, and it's perfectly possible for him to be in that low in a conservative power level list.

The only one that doesn't really work is Gogeta's... and even then, there's the fact that Movie 12 is just in a different universe to the others.

[PerfectFreeza]

They are in the same universe, since Salza, Paragus and Gogeta appear in M12.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Hatchiyack is stronger than M8 LSS Broli, but weaker than Super Perfect Cell. As for Super Hatchiyack, he is at Super Perfect Cell.