Nail And The Ginyu Force

[Undertaker]

Nail's power level is 42,000

Is he in par with Burter, Jeice and Reccome?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I think Nail is slightly stronger than Jeice and Burter.

[RandomGuy96]

Nail is stronger than any of them (if just by a bit), IMO, but his victory against any of them in one on one combat is not a sure thing for various reasons. We really don't get a lot on the Ginyu's power other than that they're all over 30,000 ('cept Guldo) and FAR under 60,000. Common fanon puts them all around 40,000. I have it like this:

Guldo- 6,000
Recoome- 36,000
Burter- 38,000
Jeice- 40,000
Ginyu- 120,000 (from the manga)

[Undertaker]

Nail is stronger than any of them (if just by a bit), IMO, but his victory against any of them in one on one combat is not a sure thing for various reasons. We really don't get a lot on the Ginyu's power other than that they're all over 30,000 ('cept Guldo) and FAR under 60,000. Common fanon puts them all around 40,000. I have it like this:

Guldo- 6,000
Recoome- 36,000
Burter- 38,000
Jeice- 40,000
Ginyu- 120,000 (from the manga)

They are at least at 40,000

I have them at 45,000

[RandomGuy96]

How are they "at least 40,000"?

[Undertaker]

How are they "at least 40,000"?

Reccome easily beat Vegeta who was 30,000 so he must be at least 40,000

[RandomGuy96]

No, there's not "he must be". Recoome actually took a lot of damage from Vegeta, more than he's commonly thought to of; he's clearly surprised and hurt whenever Vegeta hits him, and by the end of the battle his armor's gone, part of his hair is missing, his clothes are in tatters, he's covered in bruises, cuts, and burn marks, and he's bleeding from multiple areas. He can just fight through the pain, letting him steamroll Vegeta. Someone at 40,000 wouldn't have taken as much damage.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Why do you even start topics like this when you don't even listen to other peoples opinions. 35,000 for Recoome works just fine.

[Kaboom]

I figure all three of them - Recoome, Jheese, and Butta - to be somewhere between 40,000 45,000. It just fits best, I think, being smack dab in the middle of Vegeta's roughly 30,000 and the 60,000 that Ginyu figured could beat them so easily. That said, Nail is right in the middle of that range too. I've always thought he could take any one of them in a tough one-on-one fight.

[Undertaker]

Why do you even start topics like this when you don't even listen to other peoples opinions. 35,000 for Recoome works just fine.

Because your post makes no sense

How can he be 35,000 when Vegeta was 30,000? 40,000 is at least logical

Edit: What Kaboom said

[Undertaker]

No, there's not "he must be". Recoome actually took a lot of damage from Vegeta, more than he's commonly thought to of; he's clearly surprised and hurt whenever Vegeta hits him, and by the end of the battle his armor's gone, part of his hair is missing, his clothes are in tatters, he's covered in bruises, cuts, and burn marks, and he's bleeding from multiple areas. He can just fight through the pain, letting him steamroll Vegeta. Someone at 40,000 wouldn't have taken as much damage.

What damage? He was easily beating him and even survived his attack

His hair was like that because Vegeta blasted his face

Someone at 35,000 would not beat someone at 30,000 so easily

[RandomGuy96]

How does surviving mean he took no damage...?

You know, the very visible damage all over his body? The cuts? Missing teeth? Burn marks? Scratches? Bruises? Bleeding head? Busted lip? Trashed armor? Ring any bells?

Recoome is just a juggernaut who can ignore the pain to lay the smackdown. He very clearly took damage from Vegeta's hits- he couldn't just tank them like him being that high would imply. We've SEEN what it looks like when someone takes no damage from another guy's attack. They don't look like Recoome. Hell, Recoome survived his own mouth blast going off inside his own head, without it popping off like a pez dispenser. That's not normal. And he didn't really beat Vegeta easily, certainly not in the same way Vegeta beat Cui or Buutenks beat Gohan.

And I have him at 36,000, not 35,000.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Always had the powerful Ginyu members at 45,000. So, slightly stronger than Nail, but Nail could potentially win in a one-on-one fight.

Vegeta was amusing Reacoom, but he was clearly outmatched. Vegeta's pseudo Final Flash did 0 damage to Reacoom, so I'd like to think his physical attacks wouldn't be much better. Gohan even tells us Reacoom's Chi didn't go down in the slightest. All of that superficial damage doesn't mean much.

[Undertaker]

How does surviving mean he took no damage...?

You know, the very visible damage all over his body? The cuts? Missing teeth? Burn marks? Scratches? Bruises? Bleeding head? Busted lip? Trashed armor? Ring any bells?

Recoome is just a juggernaut who can ignore the pain to lay the smackdown. He very clearly took damage from Vegeta's hits- he couldn't just tank them like him being that high would imply. We've SEEN what it looks like when someone takes no damage from another guy's attack. They don't look like Recoome. Hell, Recoome survived his own mouth blast going off inside his own head, without it popping off like a pez dispenser. That's not normal. And he didn't really beat Vegeta easily, certainly not in the same way Vegeta beat Cui or Buutenks beat Gohan.

And I have him at 36,000, not 35,000.

Krillin broke his teeth so what?

Again, he ha his armor broken and scratched like that from Vegeta's blast while he later beat him easily. Vegeta could not even damage him later

Chapter: 275 (DBZ 81), P12.4
Context: Vegeta attacked Recoom all out, but it had little effect.
Gohan: “H-he hardly took any damage…”

Chapter: 276 (DBZ 82), P13.2
Vegeta: “Th…that rotten monster…Da-dammit…To think that he’d be so strong…I’m being treated…just like a baby…”

The members should be in the middl between 30,000 to 60,000 ehich is at least 40,000

[TheMightyOzaru]

Why do you even start topics like this when you don't even listen to other peoples opinions. 35,000 for Recoome works just fine.

Because your post makes no sense

How can he be 35,000 when Vegeta was 30,000? 40,000 is at least logical

Edit: What Kaboom said

Makes no sense to YOU. Recoome took a lot of punishment. Someone with a BP of 40,000 wouldn't receive as much damage IMO. Recoome did not beat him easily either.

[TheGmGoken]

Rikum indeed took some damage as his face shows it. He's like a tank trhough so he fights through the pain. I personally have

Jhesse, Butta, and Rikum at around 37,000 - 41,000. Mostly leading towards 37k. As I think Nail could take them out in 1 on 1 combat IMO.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Hmm, I actually kinda like 37,000. After ST4 mentioned the Final Crash I figured it would be a good idea to raise it a bit.

[dbzfan7]

I figure all three of them - Recoome, Jheese, and Butta - to be somewhere between 40,000 45,000. It just fits best, I think, being smack dab in the middle of Vegeta's roughly 30,000 and the 60,000 that Ginyu figured could beat them so easily. That said, Nail is right in the middle of that range too. I've always thought he could take any one of them in a tough one-on-one fight.

Krillin said they all pretty much have the same power level.

[Undertaker]

Why do you even start topics like this when you don't even listen to other peoples opinions. 35,000 for Recoome works just fine.

Because your post makes no sense

How can he be 35,000 when Vegeta was 30,000? 40,000 is at least logical

Edit: What Kaboom said

Makes no sense to YOU. Recoome took a lot of punishment. Someone with a BP of 40,000 wouldn't receive as much damage IMO. Recoome did not beat him easily either.

Chapter: 275 (DBZ 81), P12.4
Context: Vegeta attacked Recoom all out, but it had little effect.
Gohan: “H-he hardly took any damage…”

What damage?

[Kamiccolo9]

Chapter: 275 (DBZ 81), P12.4
Context: Vegeta attacked Recoom all out, but it had little effect.
Gohan: “H-he hardly took any damage…”

What damage?

Are you not seeing the cuts, bruises, lacerations, blood, missing hair, missing teeth, busted armor, torn clothing, and general, all-around, beat-up-ness? Just because one attack may not have had much effect doesn't mean that Recoome took no damage. Especially when you, you know, look at him.