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If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by SilverPlaqueVII » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:04 pm

Out of curiosity, if Dragon Ball "Z" Kai was to be redubbed by the old Toonami cast, I could've heard Stephanie Nadlony doing Gohan instead of Colleen Clinkenbeard.

Same with the new Movie 14, many hardcore fans wanted the old cast instead of the new ones sans Linda Young (due to her "feminine" Freeza voice that was slightly criticized) as mentioned above.
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by ABED » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:11 pm

Some actors left and some weren't right for the roles. I don't think they should just bow down to fans of a certain dub.

That said, I have zero interest in the original cast. All of the main roles I wanted changed were and I got an added bonus with returning actors improving. Sabat dropped all the damn gravel from his Piccolo voice, and Burgmeier lost a lot of the rasp. Unfortunately, Vale seemed to pick it up. I don't have any desire to hear Linda Young, Nadolny, or Vollmer in their respective roles ever again.
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:19 pm

As much as I'm fine with the old cast, and still feel the way FUNi ditched them without any contact to them about it was wrong, I can't say I'd be interested in a re-dub with the old cast. I'd have been fine if that was what Kai had been from the get go, just everyone from the old cast doing better performances this time - but now? There'd be no point. I've already bought (most of) the current cast's version on the FUNi releases, I'd have no need or desire to double-dip for the old cast in Kai. Hell, I'm STILL buying Dragon Ball stuff after all this time, I've gotta call it quits SOMEWHERE. :P
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by penguintruth » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:10 pm

What do you mean, "if"? 95% of the previous voice cast returned. More English dub VAs returned than Japanese cast!

They just replaced the worst offenders. Most of them, anyway.
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by theoriginalbilis » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:19 pm

The casual viewer wouldn't care, it's a new movie in their language. The hardcore dub fans would probably be happy, but complain about "no Faulconer score WTF". The Japanese version fans would've likely already seen the movie before it was dubbed and likewise not care.

So, in short, no major change from how people react now.
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:30 pm

I think, given how many of the returning dub cast members improved dramatically, it's not such a wild assumption that perhaps some of the original dub cast members who didn't return might have also improved dramatically if they were given the chance. I'd certainly be willing to give them a second chance.

However, it's not a burning desire of mine. Like penguintruth pointed out, the vast majority of the original dub cast members did return anyway. Actually, excluding the French dub, I think the English version had the most returning actors of any given version/dub of Kai. Furthermore, while I will stick to my usual practice of not naming which performances I thought were bad, let's just say that I was exceedingly happy with the performances that some of the new cast members turned in.
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by Ringworm128 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:42 pm

I liked the old voices and I would like to hear what they would sound like with Kai's script and direction but I don't think it's really necessary since the new voices are doing such a good job. Well except for Coleen Clinkenbeard as Goku.

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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by ABED » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:02 am

ringworm128 wrote:I liked the old voices and I would like to hear what they would sound like with Kai's script and direction but I don't think it's really necessary since the new voices are doing such a good job. Well except for Coleen Clinkenbeard as Goku.
She was great as Goku in DB movie 1, way better than Nadolny.
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by medvedenko2009 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:08 am

I would've definitely watched it.

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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by Ringworm128 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:23 am

Linda Young would probably have to have her scripts shortened down to something similar to what we saw in the games but I wouldn't mind. I loved her in BL and I would love even more to see an even better performance.

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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by Fennekin » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:21 am

ringworm128 wrote:Linda Young would probably have to have her scripts shortened down to something similar to what we saw in the games but I wouldn't mind. I loved her in BL and I would love even more to see an even better performance.
I just found this video on Linda Young's Frieza and it's so true!:
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by Ringworm128 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:38 am

Young sounding like an old woman never bothered me since I could easily look past it and since I think it works for lizardish, androgynous looking character like Freeza.

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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:14 pm

ABED wrote:
ringworm128 wrote:I liked the old voices and I would like to hear what they would sound like with Kai's script and direction but I don't think it's really necessary since the new voices are doing such a good job. Well except for Coleen Clinkenbeard as Goku.
She was great as Goku in DB movie 1, way better than Nadolny.
I'd have to respectfully disagree there, but I'm also a fan of Colleen's Luffy, so it took me a long while to get used to her playing Gohan with a similar voice. If we had more of her Goku to go off of, maybe I'd get used to it too.
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by Kakarot88 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:33 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote:The casual viewer wouldn't care, it's a new movie in their language. The hardcore dub fans would probably be happy, but complain about "no Faulconer score WTF". The Japanese version fans would've likely already seen the movie before it was dubbed and likewise not care.

So, in short, no major change from how people react now.
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Use the kai cast for Battle of Gods cuz Gohan is grown up so we don't have to suffer through Clinkbeard and people will really only bitch about the music. If it sounds as bad as Kai with English acting (ABED feel free to ignore me) then change it!

If the music doesn't sound good (read as "hardcore" if you are a hater of the Faulconer epicness or whatever hate the haters of the Faulconer score say about it) then yes people will bitch because the movie will feel lame because it sounds lame. Just because you spray old spice on yourself doesn't mean you shouldn't shower after working out...just because we have an action packed movie with awesome english dub actors doesn't mean the music cannot be replaced to fit their American acting...the movie may need a shower rather than a spray of our American dub talent. Just Saiyan...
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by Storm » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:49 pm

You wouldn't replace John Williams' score in Star Wars to "fit" a Swedish dub.

You wouldn't replace Hans Zimmer's score in The Dark Knight to "fit" a Japanese dub.

The only problem with the Japanese score and the American acting is when the DBZ dub was written and acted to go in accordance to the Faulconer music (read: poorly), then slapped haphazardly onto the Japanese OST on home video releases. Nowadays dubbing is (usually) good enough that it can seamlessly fit into the original tone of the show. The idea that people are so attached to the Faulconer soundtrack that they absolutely won't hear anything else is, frankly, an insulting idea to me.

(This is coming from someone who genuinely enjoys a lot of the Faulconer music on its own merits.)

EDIT: Also, Barbara Goodson is, for my money, the best English kid Goku. :think:

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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by Kakarot88 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:44 pm

Storm wrote:You wouldn't replace John Williams' score in Star Wars to "fit" a Swedish dub.

You wouldn't replace Hans Zimmer's score in The Dark Knight to "fit" a Japanese dub.

The only problem with the Japanese score and the American acting is when the DBZ dub was written and acted to go in accordance to the Faulconer music (read: poorly), then slapped haphazardly onto the Japanese OST on home video releases. Nowadays dubbing is (usually) good enough that it can seamlessly fit into the original tone of the show. The idea that people are so attached to the Faulconer soundtrack that they absolutely won't hear anything else is, frankly, an insulting idea to me.

(This is coming from someone who genuinely enjoys a lot of the Faulconer music on its own merits.)

EDIT: Also, Barbara Goodson is, for my money, the best English kid Goku. :think:
Fair enough and I appreciate your candor. I personally just dislike how the Kai music sounds and hate the US dub with the Japanese music. I tried the series out on my orange bricks with the US dub and Japanese music and it sounded terrible to me it's why I didn't buy the dragon boxes because I like flipping between pure Japanese and pure US broadcast. That hybrid feature was just awful and partially why I cannot enjoy Kai no matter how hard I try.
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by theoriginalbilis » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:55 pm

I think Kai is fine as is. Pretty much all of the replaced actors were an improvement over the "Z" cast. And the returning cast members upped their game, so for the most part, it's successful as is. The music debacle notwithstanding...

No real need to recast anyone for the Buu saga either, except for getting rid of "baby-voice" Buu, which is damn near unintelligible when he speaks.
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Post by Mewzard » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:30 pm

Storm wrote:EDIT: Also, Barbara Goodson is, for my money, the best English kid Goku. :think:
...Wait, Rita Repulsa from Mighty Morphin Power Rangers voiced Goku in the Harmony Gold dub of Dragon Ball?

Huh, learn something new every day.

And I hope they keep up the quality of the Kai dub for the Buu Saga. I think the returning voices can work for the most part; I know the cast can work. All we need is for some good scripting and for people to bring out their A game (and hopefully, Toei picked a good solution for the music...maybe bring back Kikuchi for some appropriate music to fit the replacement, but better placed to fit the scenes).
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by penguintruth » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:07 pm

Kakarot88 wrote:suffer through Clinkbeard and people will really only bitch about the music
Why would experiencing one of the greatest English dub performances in the franchise be suffering?
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Re: If Kai was redubbed by the original cast...

Post by ABED » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:21 pm

I don't really care if Clinkenbeard's Luffy sounded anything like her Goku or Gohan, she gives a good performance and I don't like Nadolny's Goku. The cadence to her delivery bothers me and her Krusty laugh is Janice from Friends level annoying, but without the virtue of being intentionally funny.

Even if you don't like Clinkenbeard as Gohan or Goku, "suffer" is a strong word.

Storm put it perfectly
The only problem with the Japanese score and the American acting is when the DBZ dub was written and acted to go in accordance to the Faulconer music (read: poorly), then slapped haphazardly onto the Japanese OST on home video releases.
ringworm128 wrote:Young sounding like an old woman never bothered me since I could easily look past it and since I think it works for lizardish, androgynous looking character like Freeza.
Androgynous means having masculine and feminine characteristics. Her voice is undeniably female.
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